RE: [legalxml-courtfiling] Preliminary List of "Roles" inLegalProceedings

["Lewis, Diane" <Diane.Lewis@usdoj.gov>]

Mohyeddin,
what are the specific business rules or court procedures associated with the terms you note below.... 

not sure you have had a chance yet to read my feedback on this topic
here is an excerpt.... 

he reuse of "title" by Court Filing may be minimal... given the importance
of filer authentication  the definition of  "role" would seem to be the
common term in use to characterize the different actors who initiate court
filings or author court case documents...
 
role in the court filing sense to me means position, function as the
initiator of the filing transaction, capacity in e-filing...   the "role"
establishes the data exchange relationship between the authorized court
filers and the justice entities that receive or send the court case
information.
 
The business rules/court procedures/notices will define the roles  (and
perhaps bestow a title on the individual).  I suggest that any definition
provided to the Justice Data Dictionary workgroup refer to a business
reference as part of the description.
 
for example: Judge and Justice  what are the differences? is there a need
from the data dictionary standpoint to provide refined definitions for both
roles ...?  or can we extend the basic Justice Data Dictionary common
meaning to call out those differences in the CourtFiling 2.0 specification?

Diane Lewis



-----Original Message-----
From: Mohyeddin Abdulaziz [mailto:abdulaziz@apltwo.ct.state.az.us]
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Subject: Re: [legalxml-courtfiling] Preliminary List of "Roles" in
LegalProceedings


Greetings,

I think that many items, especially in the <judicialOfficer> category can be
both "title" and "role".  I do not agree that the <role> tag should be
replaced by a <title> tag.  Both are needed.  A "chief judge" is a title who
has a "role" in managing the court and may have a role as a "judge" in a case
or more specifically a role as an "author" in a decision or opinion.

I suggest adding "judge pro tem" to the "judicialOfficer" category and the
following to the attorney category (as used in Arizona):

legal defender
assistant legal defender
county attorney
deputy county attorney
attorney general
assistant attorney general

"Chambers, Rolly" wrote:

> What is the difference between a title and a role as you see it? Are you
> suggesting that the specific "roles" should be marked up with a "title"
> tag instead of a "role" tag?
>
> If so, I don't have a problem with the concept. The Data Dictionary
> contains a "Title" element, but it is used for motor vehicle title
> information rather than the title of a person. Will the different
> "Title" elements be reconciled by the Data Dictionary group?
>
> As for duplicates in the list of specific roles, just strike one of
> them.
>
> Rolly Chambers
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: Robin_Gibson@osca.state.mo.us
>         Sent: Tue 11/12/2002 9:47 AM
>         To: Chambers, Rolly; legalxml-courtfiling@lists.oasis-open.org
>         Cc:
>         Subject: Re: [legalxml-courtfiling] Preliminary List of "Roles"
> in Legal Proceedings
>
>
>
>         Before this list is provided to the Data Dictionary group, I
> highly
>         recommend that each of the proposed "roles" includes a brief
> description to
>         differentiate them from one another.  This will help the task
> force to
>         condense duplicates from various sources.  At first glance, they
> appear to
>         be titles (or perhaps relationships) rather than roles .  For
> example, in
>         the JudicialOfficer listing, I am not able to differentiate the
> difference
>         between some of the items listed-- what is the difference in
> "role" between
>         a circuit judge and a circuit court judge?
>
>         Robin
>
>         Robin Gibson
>         Information Technology Division
>         Office of State Courts Administrator
>         robin_gibson@osca.state.mo.us
>         573-751-4377
>
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