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Subject: Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS
My thoughts were a little jumbled in the last message I sent to this thread. I should have separated the two issues. 1) The wording of the paragraph could be improved. 2) The "readonly" thing For (2), I don't really have a strong enough feeling, so let's go with a "readonly" view mode and be done with it. For (1), I'm going to think about the wording and see if I can come up with some concrete examples of improving the wording. wt 2008/4/14 Ming Fei Jia <jiamingf@cn.ibm.com>: > The wording "readonly" is referred to the existed wording in ODF spec. For > example, in ODF 1.2 draft 6, there are the following definitions: > > common-readonly-attlist > form:readonly > 11611 line definition > <define name="common-readonly-attlist"> > <optional> > <attribute name="form:readonly" a:defaultValue="false"> > > <ref name="boolean"/> > </attribute> > </optional> > </define> > > Also, I don't think how "readonly" is hard to read. Thanks. > > > > Best Regards, > > Mingfei Jia(贾明飞) > IBM Lotus Symphony Development > IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing > Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924 > NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com > Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District, > Beijing 100085, PRC > > "Warren Turkal" ---2008-04-14 22:33:38---I think the wording of the last > paragraph needs to be improved. The > > > > From: > "Warren Turkal" <turkal@google.com> > > To: > Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM@IBMCN > > > Cc: > office@lists.oasis-open.org > > Date: > 2008-04-14 22:33 > > > Subject: > Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS > ________________________________ > > > > > > I think the wording of the last paragraph needs to be improved. The > schema looks pretty good. However, I think it might be a little better > to use "read-only" instead of "readonly" as one of the modes since > readonly is a little harder to read. > > Thanks, > wt > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:05 AM, Ming Fei Jia <jiamingf@cn.ibm.com> wrote: > > > > > > Dear TC members, > > > > This is the update proposal((See attached file: > > preferred-view-mode-proposal.odt)) for this topic based on Open Document > > Format Specification v1.1. Hope you have a nice day:) > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Mingfei Jia(贾明飞) > > IBM Lotus Symphony Development > > IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing > > Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924 > > NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com > > Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District, > > Beijing 100085, PRC > > Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS > > > > Ming Fei Jia > > to: > > office > > > > 2008-04-08 14:59 > > ________________________________ > > > > Dear All, > > According to the previous discussion, we can have another schema > definition > > in the package layer([附件 "shortcut-open-mode-proposal.odt" 被 Ming Fei > > Jia/China/IBM 删除]yellow part is newly added). In this one, I put the > > shortcut-open-mode as an attribute of the manifest:file-entry, the > advantage > > of this one is that the open mode is correlated with MIME type, but the > > disadvantage that I believe generally only the root file-entry needs this > > shortcut-open-mode attribute. For example,we can have a file entry > > description in the manifest file like this: > > > > > > ...... > > <manifest:file-entry > > manifest:media-type="application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.presentation" > > manifest:full-path="/" > > manifest:shortcut-open-mode = "view" //only this entry need the > attribute > > > > /> > > <manifest:file-entry > > manifest:media-type="text/xml" manifest:full-path="content.xml" > > manifest:size="3143"> > > </manifest:file-entry> > > ...... > > We can choose between this definition and the previous one or anyting > else. > > I prefer this one. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Mingfei Jia(贾明飞) > > IBM Lotus Symphony Development > > IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing > > Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924 > > NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com > > Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District, > > Beijing 100085, PRC > > Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS > > > > Ming Fei Jia > > to: > > office > > > > 2008-04-08 00:33 > > ________________________________ > > > > Dear TC member, > > > > During a couple of weeks discussion, most of members prefer to define > the > > open mode (view/edit) in package layer in order to adapt to multiple > > applications. Of course, different applications can have their own > > explanations for the view mode. For example, Presentation will explain > the > > view mode as "auto-play" when double-click/Enter the document from OS > shell. > > Word Processor and Spreadsheet may explain the view mode as a kind of > > read-only mode when double-click/Enter the document from OS shell. I > prefer > > to use "shortcut-open-mode" to express this meaning since this open mode > is > > restricted to the scenario of launching documents from OS shell directly > by > > double-click or Enter key. Also I defined a mode set for future extending > > althouth there are only 2 modes currently. The schema can be defined in > > OpenDocument v1.1 Section 17.7.2 Manifest Root Element as following: > > > > > > <define name="manifest"> > > > > <element name="manifest:manifest"> > > > > <optional> > > > > <attribute name="manifest:shortcut-open-mode" a:defaultValue="edit"> > > > > <choice> > > > > <value>view</value> > > > > <value>edit</value> > > > > </choice> > > > > </attribute> > > > > </optional> > > > > <oneOrMore> > > > > <ref name="file-entry"/> > > > > </oneOrMore> > > > > </element> > > > > </define> > > > > The description can be: The attribute "manifest:shortcut-open-mode" > > specifies that applications will open the document directly from the > > operating system shell with "view" mode or "edit" mode by a shortcut way, > > e.g. double-click the document or select the document and press Enter > key. > > > > > > Pls correct me if I understand wrongly. And now I have 2 questions: > > > > (1) Anyone can suggest other open mode besides "view" and "edit"? > > > > (2) I can not find the chapter "17 Packages" and the manifest definitions > in > > OpenDocument v1.2 Draft 6. Does anyone know this is a literature missing > or > > there has some big changes about packages since ODF 1.2? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Mingfei Jia(贾明飞) > > IBM Lotus Symphony Development > > IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing > > Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924 > > NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com > > Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District, > > Beijing 100085, PRC > > Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS > > > > Ming Fei Jia > > to: > > Bob Jolliffe > > > > 2008-03-22 19:31 > > > > > > > > Cc: > > office > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Thanks Bob, we can define the schema in 2.2.3 Presentation Documents(ODF > > 1.2 draft 6). > > The original definition is: > > > > <define name="office-body-content" combine="choice"> > > <element name="office:presentation"> > > <ref name="office-presentation-attlist"/> > > <ref name="office-presentation-content-prelude"/> > > <ref name="office-presentation-content-main"/> > > <ref name="office-presentation-content-epilogue"/> > > </element> > > </define> > > > > <define name="office-presentation-attlist"> > > <empty/> > > </define> > > > > To support presentation auto-play choice, add the attribute > > "presentation:auto-play" to the element "office-presentation-attlist" as > > below: > > > > <define name="office-presentation-attlist"> > > <optional> > > <attribute name="presentation:auto-play" a:defaultValue="false"> > > <ref name="boolean"/> > > </attribute> > > </optional> > > </define> > > > > The description can be: The attribute "presentation:auto-play" specifies > > applications will open the presentation file directly from the operating > > system shell with auto-play slide mode or edit mode. > > > > The "directly from the operating system shell" means this attribute only > > works for the scenarios like user double-click the file or select-enter > the > > file from Explorer in Windows or other OS shell. The purpose of adding > this > > restriction is for that applications can open the presentation file with > > "edit" mode by selecting "File->Open" menu explictly although the > > "presentation:auto-play" is true. Welcome anyone suggests a good > description > > for this meaning. > > > > Also, if the open mode number is more than 2 (play and edit), we can > define > > a value set to choose in XML schema. Currently I don't know any other > open > > mode. > > > > > > Mingfei Jia(贾明飞) > > IBM Lotus Symphony Development > > IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing > > Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924 > > NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com > > Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District, > > Beijing 100085, PRC > > Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS > > > > Bob Jolliffe > > to: > > office > > > > 2008-03-17 21:36 > > > > Please respond to Bob Jolliffe <bobj@dst.gov.za> > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > I think Rob's suggestion of a flag in the XML ( along the lines of > > onOpen="Play"|"Edit" ) makes sense on this. > > > > Regards > > Bob > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "robert weir" <robert_weir@us.ibm.com> > > To: "Ming Fei Jia" <jiamingf@cn.ibm.com> > > Cc: office@lists.oasis-open.org > > Sent: 17 March 2008 03:15:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS > > > > > > Hi Mingfei, > > > > I think a PPS file is identical to a PPT file inside. The only > difference > > is in the file extension. This tells the application to run PowerPoint > > directly in play mode rather than edit mode. > > > > If we want to have the same behavior we could do this as a file > extension, > > or as a boolean flag in the document. > > > > Looking at Microsoft support notes like : > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/326736 it appears that their file > extension > > approach has caused Microsoft some problems. > > > > So I wonder if a flag in the XML would be a better solution? > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > > Ming Fei Jia <jiamingf@cn.ibm.com> > > > > 03/17/2008 05:47 AM > > To office@lists.oasis-open.org > > > > cc > > > > Subject [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS > > > > > > > > > > Dear TC members, > > > > I can not find the definition in ODF 1.2 draft 6 about auto-play > > presentation file format,just like Microsoft PPS format. If we really > have > > not defined it yet, I propose to define it in ODF 1.2 since the > requirement > > of presentation auto-play is obvious for many users. We need to discuss > the > > feasiblity and the solution in this loop. The contents can be: > > (1) The extension name of auto-play presentation file format, e.g. ODPP > or > > anything that makes sense; > > (2) The auto-play presentation file wraps .odp file as an auto-play file > > when user double-click on the file; > > (3) XML schema definition for the auto-play presentation file if any; > > (4) Explanation for the implementation in vendor products. > > ...... > > > > Welcome any comments! > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Mingfei Jia(贾明飞) > > IBM Lotus Symphony Development > > IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing > > Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924 > > NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com > > Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District, > > Beijing 100085, PRC > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > > generates this mail. 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