RE: [oic] Confused about the purpose of the Interop Profile

[robert_weir@us.ibm.com]

The ODF market as a whole includes web applications and mobile 
applications, for example. 

If we were doing a web profile of ODF, then we might constrain features as 
needed to enhance interoperability among ODF web editors.  So a web 
profile might limit embedded images to JPEG, GIF or PNG formats, since 
those are the formats commonly supported in web browsers..  A mobile 
profile might constrain the types of ZIP compression algorithms that are 
allowed, since that would reduce the memory footprint on the device.

The distinction between a Desktop PPA interop profile and the "whole 
market" is that the "whole" ODF allows behaviors that are not 
interoperable among desktop PPAs.  So ODF 1.1 is a superset of the 
behaviors which would be allowed in the desktop PPA profile.  For example, 
one can have a conformant ODF document and use implementation-dependent 
ZIP compression algorithm, embedded image formats, spreadsheet formula 
languages, etc.  A desktop PPA profile can provide further constraints for 
these items. 

I wouldn't get caught up on the question of whether these items belong in 
ODF itself, or in an interop profile.  We're not limited to doing only 
one.  It is quite common for a profile of revision N to inform revision 
N+1 of a standard.  Look at the W3C profile of HTML+SVG+MathML and how 
those ideas are being merged into HTML5.  If we do our job well on this 
TC, many of our ideas will in fact be relevant to ODF 1.3 or ODF 2.0 in 
the future.  But there is still value, to user and implementers to 
defining these items as a profile of ODF 1.1.

-Rob

Cherie Ekholm <cheriee@exchange.microsoft.com> wrote on 03/23/2010 
01:07:04 PM:
> 
> <adding back in OIC - sorry for the small r instead of the large R 
> on my last reply>
> 
> Let me ask it another way: what do you find different about this PPA
> market you are defining that is different from the ODF market as a 
> whole?  If the profile was originally written with ODF as a whole in
> mind, but can now magically be turned into a document that only 
> talks about a PPA market, then what distinguishes this profile from 
> a general conformance class that one might write with the same 
> shall/should/may statements?
> 
> Cherie
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: robert_weir@us.ibm.com [mailto:robert_weir@us.ibm.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:48 AM
> To: Cherie Ekholm
> Subject: RE: [oic] Confused about the purpose of the Interop Profile
> 
> Hi Cherie, I think the point is that the profile has in fact been 
> developed with an eye toward PPA interoperability.  The work going 
> into to producing the profile has certainly involved PPA vendors and
> not web editor or mobile editor vendors.  So off-hand I don't see 
> anything to change except make that focus explicit in the name. 
> This is a case of making the title better reflect the content, not a
> matter of changing the content.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Rob
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From:
> Cherie Ekholm <cheriee@exchange.microsoft.com>
> To:
> "robert_weir@us.ibm.com" <robert_weir@us.ibm.com>
> Date:
> 03/23/2010 12:12 PM
> Subject:
> RE: [oic] Confused about the purpose of the Interop Profile
> 
> 
> 
> I have not read the profile with an eye toward your idea of focusing
> it as a desktop productivity application profile, so don't know yet 
> what I'd recommend removing or adding, if anything. We are, however,
> going in circles as my question to you was the same - if this is no 
> longer a general "touch everything in  ODF" profile but is now 
> targeted only at your PPA idea, what does that focus change? Or 
> perhaps you believe that simply renaming the profile is sufficient 
> to change the focus? That seems a bit odd, but I suppose someone has
> tried that before.
> 
> Cherie
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: robert_weir@us.ibm.com [robert_weir@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:03 AM
> To: Cherie Ekholm
> Cc: oic@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [oic] Confused about the purpose of the Interop Profile
> 
> Cherie Ekholm <cheriee@exchange.microsoft.com> wrote on 03/22/2010
> 08:00:56 PM:
> >
> > As noted, this is the conversation that needs to happen Wednesday.
> >
> 
> Cherie,
> 
> I'm sorry.  I'm going to be in transit to the SC34 meetings on Wed.  I
> think we have several  other TC members attending those meetings.   So 
it
> isn't clear whether we will be quorate on Wednesday's call.
> 
> So if you can indulge me on this one point, let me ask my question 
again:
> 
> >
> > I'm not sure what you mean by saying the profile "targets...all of ODF
> > 1.1".  Is there anything in particular in the profile that you think 
is
> > not relevant to interoperability with desktop PPA implementations of
> ODF?
> >
> 
> If you have specific objections, I'd love to know them.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Rob
> 
> 
> 
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