RE: [orms] Minutes of the 2008-05-28 ORMS TC telecon

[Sakimura Nat <n-sakimura@nri.co.jp>]

Thanks Drummond.

Comments inline.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drummond Reed [mailto:drummond.reed@cordance.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 7:32 AM
> To: orms@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: [orms] Minutes of the 2008-05-28 ORMS TC telecon
>
> Followning are the minutes of the 2008-05-28 ORMS TC telecon.
>
> Action items are prefixed with #.
>
> > Date:  Wednesday, 28 May 2008
> > Time:  05:00pm - 06:00pm ET
> >
> > Agenda:
> >
> > 1. Call to order
> > - Verify Minute Taker
> > - Roll Call
> >
> > 2. Status Report on Charter Clarification vote (close on 29 May at
> > 11:45pm
> > ET)
> >
> > 3. Status Report and Discussion on Terminology Glossary creation
> >
> > 4. Status Report and Discussion on Use Cases.
> >
> > 5. Other Business
> >
> > 6. Adjournment>
>
>
> MINUTES
>
> > 1. Call to order
> > - Verify Minute Taker
>
> Drummond volunteered to take minutes.
>
> > - Roll Call
>
> Tony took roll call:
>
> George Fletcher
> JJ Moortgat
> Jeffrey Broberg
> Vadim Lander
> Drummond Reed
> Daniela Bourges Waldegg
> Robert Daly
> Anthony Nadalin
> Bruce Rich
> Paul Trevithick
> Lauren Davis
> Peter Davis
> Jeff Hodges
> William Tan
> Dorothy Gellert
> Frederick Hirsch
> Nat Sakimura
> Tatsuki Sakushima
>
> > 2. Status Report on Charter Clarification vote (close on 29 May at
> > 11:45pm
> > ET)
>
> Tony asked everyone to make sure to vote.
>
> He also said that the roster of elgible voting members may
> not be correct for the vote; the TC administrator and chairs
> are working on this.
>
> > 3. Status Report and Discussion on Terminology Glossary creation
>
> JeffH reported on the email he sent to the list entitled
> "First pass on terminology" about the wide variety of prior
> work in this area.
>
>         http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/orms/200805/msg00113.html
>
> It is mostly references to papers in this general area. His
> recommendation is that we leverage what has been done,
> primarily by choosing the subset of the references we believe
> are most relevant and useful, and then working from them.
>
> In his email, Jeff provided some examples of how this could
> work. He used some of the definitions from Daniella's presentation.
>
> Daniella explained that she created these definitions from
> her own study of the area.
>
> # DANIELLA to post the sources she used in an email to the list.
>
> JeffH recommended a specific paper by Pinyol called, "How to
> Talk About Reputation Using a Common Ontology". He felt that
> it is the most relevant to what we are trying to do. It also has a
>
> Jeff also found a PhD thesis from Quinn from last year that
> also addresses defining inputs and outputs and reputation
> normalization.
>
> # JEFF will send out a reference cited in Quinn's thesis to a
> set of papers from Golbeck -- in particular Golbeck's thesis. (DONE)
>
>         http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/orms/200805/msg00116.html
>
> Tony summarized the path forward on terminology:
>
> * TC members will review the cited papers.
> * Then we will winnow out the terms we most need, and work
> towards consensus definitions.
> * Jeff also suggested that we develop a UML model, much as
> the one in the Pinyol paper.
>
> # ALL TC MEMBERS to read over the terminology and papers
> suggested so far.
>
>
> > 4. Status Report and Discussion on Use Cases.
>
> Nat ran through an explanation of the PAPE Use Case he posted
> to the list shortly before the call:
>
>         http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/orms/200805/msg00111.html
>
> Tony asked if the Auditor can input reputation data from
> other sources besides RPs. Nat clarified that yes, other
> sources can be used.
>
> Drummond asked whether an RP had to engage in a verified
> transaction with an OP in order to provide reputation
> feedback (similar to eBay, where only verified parties to a
> transaction can provide feedback to each other). Nat said
> that this is not shown but could be reflected as a
> requirement in order to validate the reputational feedback.

I also noted that such 'logic' actually is a part of reputation calculation,
and is out of scope for this TC.
(Clarification: 'Reputation Calculater' can take arbitrary input.
 The requirement for the verified transaction with OP means that
 the weight on the input from non-transacting RP was set to Zero.
 This actually is part of the calculation.)

>
> Tony asked Daniella if she was going to submit the use cases
> she presented at the opening F2F to the TC repository.
>
> # DANIELLA agreed that she would do that.
>
> JeffH mentioned a book by Daniel Solove, "The Future of
> Reputation", that covers many use cases touching on
> reputation, anonymity, privacy, etc. He recommends it in
> particular for the use cases it contains, many of which he
> feels are relevant to the TC.
>
> > 5. Other Business
>
> The only other business was to accept the minutes of the May
> 21 telecon. TC members have not had a chance to review it yet.
>
> # TONY to put this item on next week's agenda.
>
> > 6. Adjournment
>
> JeffH moved to adjourn. The motion was accepted.
>
>
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