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Subject: RE: Ballot comment NO 8
OK - so I will not add the properties and will reject the comment. Last change to protest!! Regards Rob ------------------------------------------- Rob Bodington Eurostep Limited Web Page: http://www.eurostep.com http://www.share-a-space.com Email: Rob.Bodington@eurostep.com Phone: +44 (0)1454 270030 Mobile: +44 (0)7796 176 401 -----Original Message----- From: Jochen Haenisch [mailto:Jochen.Haenisch@epmtech.jotne.com] Sent: 28 October 2004 14:39 To: 'Rob Bodington'; plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org; 'Tonning, Leif' Cc: 'Trine Hansen' Subject: RE: Ballot comment NO 8 I tend to agree. Leif should give his ok as well. Jochen > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Bodington [SMTP:rob.bodington@eurostep.com] > Sent: 28. oktober 2004 15:26 > To: 'Jochen Haenisch'; plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org; 'Tonning, Leif' > Cc: 'Trine Hansen' > Subject: RE: Ballot comment NO 8 > > Well, document_assignment does not allow the explicit representation of > the > text. > > I really think that we should have created a module, "text_assignment", > but that > is another discussion. > > I still think that if you want to record the reason why you went from one > version to the next you should you the Directed_action stuff, not > properties > > What do you think? > > Regards > Rob > > ------------------------------------------- > Rob Bodington > Eurostep Limited > Web Page: http://www.eurostep.com http://www.share-a-space.com > Email: Rob.Bodington@eurostep.com > Phone: +44 (0)1454 270030 > Mobile: +44 (0)7796 176 401 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jochen Haenisch [mailto:Jochen.Haenisch@epmtech.jotne.com] > Sent: 28 October 2004 14:08 > To: 'Rob Bodington'; plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org; 'Tonning, Leif' > Cc: 'Trine Hansen' > Subject: RE: Ballot comment NO 8 > > see below > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Bodington [SMTP:rob.bodington@eurostep.com] > > Sent: 28. oktober 2004 14:56 > > To: 'Jochen Haenisch'; plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org; 'Tonning, Leif' > > Cc: 'Trine Hansen' > > Subject: RE: Ballot comment NO 8 > > > > I would not have thought to use properties on > product_version_relationsip. > > Instead, I would use the description attribute, or document assignment > to > > document purpose. In fact, I would assign everything to the new version, > > not the > > relationship. > > > JH: What if there are several old versions leading to one new one? > There are probably considerations that are related to the individual > relationships. > Does document_assignment allow the explicit representation of the > descriptions text? If so, this is ok. I just want to ensure that the text > becomes available as part of the product data population, not hidden in > other documents. > > > Regarding the representation of sequences hierarchies etc - that is > > reference > > data on product_version_relationship. > > > JH: Of course. I did not intend to say something different. No > properties here. > > > Also, when creating a new version, I would expect it all to be under > > configuration change management, and so would consider using Work_order > > and > > Directed activity etc to properly control and document the change, as > > described > > in the capability "representing work order" and related capabilities. > > > JH: That may be a route to be taken! I have not looked at this. > > > The other observation, though not a reason for not doing it, is that > this > > would > > make us incompatible with the rest of STEP at a MIM level, as the IR do > > not > > allow you to relate a property to a > > product_definition_formation_relationship - > > unless you create a new sub type. > > > > So, I remain to be convinced that we should extend the model. > > > > Regards > > Rob > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > Rob Bodington > > Eurostep Limited > > Web Page: http://www.eurostep.com http://www.share-a-space.com > > Email: Rob.Bodington@eurostep.com > > Phone: +44 (0)1454 270030 > > Mobile: +44 (0)7796 176 401 > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jochen Haenisch [mailto:Jochen.Haenisch@epmtech.jotne.com] > > Sent: 28 October 2004 13:40 > > To: 'Rob Bodington'; plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org; Tonning, Leif > > Cc: 'Trine Hansen' > > Subject: RE: Ballot comment NO 8 > > > > Hi Rob, > > > > the business requirement that we had in the frigates project disappeared > > due > > to remodelling. > > > > Still, we would expect business cases that require properties for > > Product_version_relationships. Product_version_relationships may link > > Product_versions to indicate, e.g., sequence, derivation, hierarchy. > There > > does not seem to be a restriction that the two Product_versions need to > > relate to the same Product, which is ok, I think. > > > > With this relatively wide scope people may want to assign information > on: > > - purpose, > > - list of modifications, > > - other types of descriptions. > > > > May these be added otherwise than by properties? > > > > Best regards, > > Jochen > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rob Bodington [SMTP:rob.bodington@eurostep.com] > > > Sent: 27. oktober 2004 11:26 > > > To: plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org; Jochen Haenisch; Tonning, > Leif > > > Subject: Ballot comment NO 8 > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > The following ballot comment was raised by Norway NO 18 > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the business requirement for wanting to assign properties to a > > > Product_version_relationship? > > > > > > A Product_version_relationship should just be used to relate one > version > > > to another. E.g. to represent a sequence of versions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you need a property here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SC4 part number:(2) Clause: ARM Express (3) Paragraph: > > > Assigned_property.described_element, Property_assignment_select (5) > > > Comment: According to the current model, Assigned_property can not be > > > assigned to Product_version_relationship. Instead a > > > View_definition_relationship shall be created and the > Assigned_property > > > assigned to it.(6) Proposal: Update the documentation of the model > > > accordingly, that is, specifically for Product_version_relationship. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > Rob > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > > Rob Bodington > > > Eurostep Limited > > > Web Page: <http://www.eurostep.com> <http://www.share-a-space.com> > > > Email: Rob.Bodington@eurostep.com > > > Phone: +44 (0)1454 270030 > > > Mobile: +44 (0)7796 176 401 > > > > > > > > >
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