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regards=0D
Gordon=0D
-----Original Message-----=0D
From: Carl-Johan Wilen [ mailto:Carl-Johan.Wilen@saab.se]=0D
Sent: 09 June 2005 09:27=0D
To: Barker, Sean (UK); mats.nilsson@fmv.se; plcs@lists.oasis-open.org=0D
Subject: RE: [plcs] Groups - ref_data_procedure_v001.doc uploaded=0D
Sean,=0D
You are right. The final distribution and archiving of the documents should=
be done in pdf (there are stronger movements than PLCS which will support=
that they can be read in the future). Word is however an excellent engine=
during the revision process.
/Carl=0D
-----Original Message-----=0D
From: Barker, Sean (UK) [ mailto:sean.barker@baesystems.com]=0D
Sent: den 9 juni 2005 10:23=0D
To: Carl-Johan Wilen; mats.nilsson@fmv.se; plcs@lists.oasis-open.org=0D
Subject: RE: [plcs] Groups - ref_data_procedure_v001.doc uploaded=0D
The main objection to the use of Word is the long term retention of the=
data. If the standard is to be used over the long term, and the document=
forms part of the standard or supporting information, it should probably=
be stores as PDF, as there is significant effort being made in the=
archiving community to ensure that pdf files will be readable long term.
Sean Barker=0D
ATC Filton=0D
0117 302 8184=0D
-----Original Message-----=0D
From: Carl-Johan Wilen [ mailto:Carl-Johan.Wilen@saab.se]=0D
Sent: 08 June 2005 15:39=0D
To: mats.nilsson@fmv.se; plcs@lists.oasis-open.org=0D
Subject: RE: [plcs] Groups - ref_data_procedure_v001.doc uploaded=0D
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is nothing like a Word document!=0D
Every one can read and print it. You can file it on your system the way you=
want. You can comment on it and even comment on comments and the author=
can easily summarize the comments and create the final document for=
approval.
Well, let\s go for Mats' proposal. And define a simple registration number=
series for PLCS TC document.=0D
(Eg PLCS-2005-0001-001:00 =3D doc 0001 for Year 2005, Version 001, 00 =3D=
approved and released)=0D
Regards=0D
Carl=0D
-----Original Message-----=0D
From: mats.nilsson@fmv.se [ mailto:mats.nilsson@fmv.se]=0D
Sent: den 8 juni 2005 13:51...=0D
To: plcs@lists.oasis-open.org=0D
Subject: SV: [plcs] Groups - ref_data_procedure_v001.doc uploaded=0D
Hi all,=0D
This is a comment on the procedure used by Rob to prepare the ballot=
document.=0D
I firmly believe that,=0D
1- Creating the information which should be balloted in DEXlib.=0D
2- Copying it from DEXlib and pasting it into a Word-document.=0D
3- Presenting the document for ballot.=0D
should be stated as a standard ballot procedure within the OASIS PLCS TC,=
because it makes sure that the information exists within DEXlib and isn't=
lost in a document in the OASIS archive.
The author/"ballot-manager" is of course responsable to correct DEXlib=
later according to the ballot descision.=0D
This procedure should only be used for ballots regarding information which=
should be inside DEXlib (e.g. not for OASIS PLCS TC organisation issues).
Regards,=0D
Mats=0D
...........................................................................=
...=0D
Mats Nilsson - KC Logistik=0D
FMV - F=F6rsvarets materielverk=0D
Swedish Defense Materiel Administration=0D
S-115 88 Stockholm, Sweden=0D
tel: +46 8 782 47 24 mobile: +46 70 267 47 24=0D
fax: +46 8 782 65 64 e-mail: mats.nilsson@fmv.se=0D
-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----=0D
Fr=E5n: rob.bodington@eurostep.com [ mailto:rob.bodington@eurostep.com]=0D
Skickat: den 7 juni 2005 17:43=0D
Till: plcs@lists.oasis-open.org=0D
=C4mne: [plcs] Groups - ref_data_procedure_v001.doc uploaded=0D
I have just uploaded this document in response to:=0D
ACTION 15/3: Rob Bodington to cut down reference data procedures to=0D
essential information. Secretariat to send out for ballot for voting=0D
members only. Send ballot copy to entire PLCS membership.=0D
The document outlines the procedure for developing and publishing PLCS=0D
reference data.=0D
The master document is held on DExlib under the help section and has been=0D
pasted into this Word document for ease of access.=0D
-- Dr Rob Bodington=0D
The document named ref_data_procedure_v001.doc has been submitted by Dr Rob=
=0D
Bodington to the OASIS Product Life Cycle Support (PLCS) TC document=0D
repository.=0D
Document Description:=0D
This document outlines the procedure for developing and publishing PLCS=0D
reference data.=0D
The master document is held on DExlib under the help section and has been=0D
pasted into this Word document for ease of access.=0D
View Document Details:=0D
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/plcs/document.php?document_id=
=3D12993=0D
Download Document:=0D
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/plcs/download.php/12993/ref_da=
ta_procedure_v001.doc=0D
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D207032009-09062005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
size=3D2>XML is=0D
the master, but XML is a combination of data, software and web references.=
Since=0D
only some of these are under configuration control in DEXLIB, there is a=
risk=0D
that, in the long term, the historical data will not be reproducible, at=
least=0D
in the form that it was voted on. All long term retention is a risk=
reduction=0D
exercise, as, in this case, is the retention of the PDF. (I also suspect=
that=0D
with XML, the long term for data retention is likely to be five years=
or=0D
less).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Sean Barker<BR>ATC Filton<BR>0117 302 8184 </FONT></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=
=3DTahoma=0D
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Gordon Robb=0D
[mailto:gor@lsc.co.uk]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 09 June 2005 10:07<BR><B>To:</B>=0D
'Carl-Johan Wilen'; Barker, Sean (UK); mats.nilsson@fmv.se;=0D
plcs@lists.oasis-open.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [plcs] Groups -=0D
ref_data_procedure_v001.doc uploaded<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Gentlefolk,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Are we not=
loosing the=0D
thread of the process.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>From what I understand,=
the=0D
information(in draft format(specification/process/procedure/etc)) is=
uploaded=0D
onto DEXLib as an XML file by the author, then converted into a 'readable=
=0D
format' for distribution via the OASIS web site for appraisal and=
approval,=0D
then subsequently uploaded back into DEXlib as a OASIS TC approved XML=
file.=0D
This file will be the master. The means of transmitting the =
appraisal=0D
doc must be in a 'most used format' be it MS/openoffice/Adobe generated,=
it=0D
should never be deemed be more than appraisal information for the master=
XML=0D
file on DEXlib.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>regards</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Gordon</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=
=3D2>From:=0D
Carl-Johan Wilen [<A=0D
href=
=3D"mailto:Carl-Johan.Wilen@saab.se";>mailto:Carl-Johan.Wilen@saab.se</A>]</=
FONT>=0D
<BR><FONT size=3D2>Sent: 09 June 2005 09:27</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>To:=
Barker,=0D
Sean (UK); mats.nilsson@fmv.se; plcs@lists.oasis-open.org</FONT>=
<BR><FONT=0D
size=3D2>Subject: RE: [plcs] Groups - ref_data_procedure_v001.doc=0D
uploaded</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Sean,</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>You are right. The final distribution and archiving of=
the=0D
documents should be done in pdf (there are stronger movements than PLCS=
which=0D
will support that they can be read in the future). Word is however an=0D
excellent engine during the revision process.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>/Carl</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=
=3D2>From:=0D
Barker, Sean (UK) [<A=0D
href=
=3D"mailto:sean.barker@baesystems.com";>mailto:sean.barker@baesystems.com</A=
>]=0D
</FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>Sent: den 9 juni 2005 10:23</FONT> <BR><FONT=0D
size=3D2>To: Carl-Johan Wilen; mats.nilsson@fmv.se;=0D
plcs@lists.oasis-open.org</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Subject: RE: [plcs]=
Groups -=0D
ref_data_procedure_v001.doc uploaded</FONT> </P><BR><BR>
<P><FONT size=3D2>The main objection to the use of Word is the long term=
=0D
retention of the data. If the standard is to be used over the long term,=
and=0D
the document forms part of the standard or supporting information, it=
should=0D
probably be stores as PDF, as there is significant effort being made in=
the=0D
archiving community to ensure that pdf files will be readable long=0D
term.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Sean Barker</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>ATC Filton</FONT>=
=0D
<BR><FONT size=3D2>0117 302 8184</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT size=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=
=3D2>From:=0D
Carl-Johan Wilen [<A=0D
href=
=3D"mailto:Carl-Johan.Wilen@saab.se";>mailto:Carl-Johan.Wilen@saab.se</A>]</=
FONT>=0D
<BR><FONT size=3D2>Sent: 08 June 2005 15:39</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>To:=
=0D
mats.nilsson@fmv.se; plcs@lists.oasis-open.org</FONT> <BR><FONT=0D
size=3D2>Subject: RE: [plcs] Groups - ref_data_procedure_v001.doc=0D
uploaded</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT=0D
size=
=3D2> &nbs=
p; =0D
*** WARNING ***</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>This mail has originated outside your=
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<BR><FONT size=3D2>either from an external partner or the Global=0D
Internet.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2> Keep this in mind if you=
answer this=0D
message.</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT size=3D2>DEXlib-ers,</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>I know that some people love XML and data "hidden" in=0D
databases, but there is nothing like a Word document!</FONT> <BR><FONT=0D
size=3D2>Every one can read and print it. You can file it on your system=
the way=0D
you want. You can comment on it and even comment on comments and the=
author=0D
can easily summarize the comments and create the final document for=0D
approval.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Well, let\s go for Mats' proposal. And define a simple=
=0D
registration number series for PLCS TC document.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>(Eg PLCS-2005-0001-001:00 =3D doc 0001 for Year 2005,=
Version=0D
001, 00 =3D approved and released)</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Regards</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Carl</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=
=3D2>From:=0D
mats.nilsson@fmv.se [<A=0D
href=
=3D"mailto:mats.nilsson@fmv.se";>mailto:mats.nilsson@fmv.se</A>]</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Sent: den 8 juni 2005 13:51...</FONT> <BR><FONT size=
=3D2>To:=0D
plcs@lists.oasis-open.org</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Subject: SV: [plcs]=
Groups -=0D
ref_data_procedure_v001.doc uploaded</FONT> </P><BR><BR><BR>
<P><FONT size=3D2> Hi all,</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>This is a comment on the procedure used by Rob to=
prepare the=0D
ballot document.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>I firmly believe that,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=
=3D2> 1-=0D
Creating the information which should be balloted in DEXlib.</FONT>=
<BR><FONT=0D
size=3D2> 2- Copying it from DEXlib and pasting it into a=0D
Word-document.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2> 3- Presenting the=
document=0D
for ballot.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>should be stated as a standard=
ballot=0D
procedure within the OASIS PLCS TC, because it makes sure that the=
information=0D
exists within DEXlib and isn't lost in a document in the OASIS=0D
archive.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>The author/"ballot-manager" is of course responsable to=
=0D
correct DEXlib later according to the ballot descision.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>This procedure should only be used for ballots=
regarding=0D
information which should be inside DEXlib (e.g. not for OASIS PLCS TC=0D
organisation issues).</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Regards,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2> Mats</FONT>=
<BR><FONT=0D
size=
=3D2>......................................................................=
........</FONT>=0D
<BR><FONT size=3D2>Mats Nilsson - KC Logistik</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>FMV - F=F6rsvarets materielverk</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Swedish Defense Materiel Administration</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>S-115 88 Stockholm, Sweden</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>tel: +46 8 782 47 24 mobile:=
+46 70=0D
267 47 24</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>fax: +46 8 782 65 64 e-mail:=0D
mats.nilsson@fmv.se</FONT> </P><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<P><FONT size=3D2>-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----</FONT> <BR><FONT=0D
size=3D2>Fr=E5n: rob.bodington@eurostep.com [<A=0D
href=
=3D"mailto:rob.bodington@eurostep.com";>mailto:rob.bodington@eurostep.com</A=
>]</FONT>=0D
</P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Skickat: den 7 juni 2005 17:43</FONT> <BR><FONT size=
=3D2>Till:=0D
plcs@lists.oasis-open.org</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>=C4mne: [plcs] Groups=
-=0D
ref_data_procedure_v001.doc uploaded</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>I have just uploaded this document in response=
to:</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>ACTION 15/3: Rob Bodington to cut down reference data=0D
procedures to</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>essential information. =
Secretariat=0D
to send out for ballot for voting</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>members only.=
Send=0D
ballot copy to entire PLCS membership.</FONT> </P><BR><BR>
<P><FONT size=3D2>The document outlines the procedure for developing and=
=0D
publishing PLCS</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>reference data.</FONT>=
<BR><FONT=0D
size=3D2>The master document is held on DExlib under the help section and=
has=0D
been</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>pasted into this Word document for ease of=
=0D
access.</FONT> </P><BR><BR>
<P><FONT size=3D2> -- Dr Rob Bodington</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>The document named ref_data_procedure_v001.doc has been=
=0D
submitted by Dr Rob</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Bodington to the OASIS=
Product=0D
Life Cycle Support (PLCS) TC document</FONT> <BR><FONT=0D
size=3D2>repository.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Document Description:</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>This=
document=0D
outlines the procedure for developing and publishing PLCS</FONT>=
<BR><FONT=0D
size=3D2>reference data.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>The master document is=
held on=0D
DExlib under the help section and has been</FONT> <BR><FONT size=
=3D2>pasted into=0D
this Word document for ease of access.</FONT> </P><BR><BR><BR>
<P><FONT size=3D2>View Document Details:</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2><A=0D
href=
=3D"http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/plcs/document.php?document=
_id=3D12993"=0D
target=
=3D_blank>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/plcs/document.php?do=
cument_id=3D12993</A></FONT>=0D
</P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Download Document:</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT size=3D2><A=0D
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