[sca-bpel] Raw Chat from May 21 Telcon

["Najeeb Andrabi" <nandrabi@tibco.com>]

anish: agenda -

anish: 1. Roll Call

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/roster.php

2. Appointment of scribe

Scribe list attached below

3. Agenda bashing

4. Approval of May 14, 2009 minutes

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200905/msg00038.html

5. Action Items review

#0062 Sanjay - Reword SBL-TA-SP01 to reflect new tighter spec language

PENDING

#0068 Editors - fix the typo "orginalName" in the section 2.3

PENDING

#0069 Khanderao - SBL-TA-3001: Prerequisite should be about "two or more variable declarations

PENDING

#0070 Khanderao - SBL-TA-2020: replace the Prerequisite statements a) and b) by the combined statement - "Multiple partner links (defined in different scopes) share the same name".

PENDING

#0071 Khanderao - SBL-TA-2022: Include 'prerequisite of SBL-TA-2020' as additional prerequisite

PENDING

#0072 Khaderao - SBL-TA-3002 Update prerequisites a) and c) on the lines of: a) a variable declaration has an sca-bpel property attribute b) a value is provided for the property via component configuration

PENDING

#0074 Khanderao - Change the target of 3003 to CT

PENDING

#0076 Khanderao - refind the target of 3005

PENDING

#0077 Anish - fix the target where it says: "The component type of the component that uses " with "CT of the BPEL process"

PENDING

#0078 Danny - Propose resolution for Issue BPEL-42

DONE

#0079 MikeR - Propose alternate algorithm for issue BPEL-41

DONE

6. New Issues

a. Issue 43

Invalid start-from-componentType scenario in abstract

http://osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-43

7. Test assertion doc

Latest Draft v06: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200904/msg00028.html

Review TAs added by Khanderao starting at SBL-TA-3008

Review TAs added by Sanjay starting at SBL-TA-SP04

8. Issue Discussion

a) Issue 41

SBPEL2022 has an incorrect 'MAY' and is not applied recursively

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-41

Email discussion -

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200905/msg00035.html

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200905/msg00041.html

b) Issue 42

SBPEL3004 has an incorrect 'MAY'

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-42

Email discussion --

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200905/msg00022.html

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200905/msg00025.html

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200905/msg00031.html

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200905/msg00040.html

9. Plan for testing

Seeking volunteers to write test cases

10. AOB

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Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: one new issue #43

Najeeb Andrabi: Agenda approved.

anish: 1. Roll Call

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/roster.php

2. Appointment of scribe

Scribe list attached below

3. Agenda bashing

4. Approval of May 14, 2009 minutes

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200905/msg00038.html

5. Action Items review

#0062 Sanjay - Reword SBL-TA-SP01 to reflect new tighter spec language

PENDING

#0068 Editors - fix the typo "orginalName" in the section 2.3

PENDING

#0069 Khanderao - SBL-TA-3001: Prerequisite should be about "two or more variable declarations

PENDING

#0070 Khanderao - SBL-TA-2020: replace the Prerequisite statements a) and b) by the combined statement - "Multiple partner links (defined in different scopes) share the same name".

PENDING

#0071 Khanderao - SBL-TA-2022: Include 'prerequisite of SBL-TA-2020' as additional prerequisite

PENDING

#0072 Khaderao - SBL-TA-3002 Update prerequisites a) and c) on the lines of: a) a variable declaration has an sca-bpel property attribute b) a value is provided for the property via component configuration

PENDING

#0074 Khanderao - Change the target of 3003 to CT

PENDING

#0076 Khanderao - refind the target of 3005

PENDING

#0077 Anish - fix the target where it says: "The component type of the component that uses " with "CT of the BPEL process"

PENDING

#0078 Danny - Propose resolution for Issue BPEL-42

DONE

#0079 MikeR - Propose alternate algorithm for issue BPEL-41

DONE

6. New Issues

a. Issue 43

Invalid start-from-componentType scenario in abstract

http://osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-43

7. Test assertion doc

Latest Draft v06: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200904/msg00028.html

Review TAs added by Khanderao starting at SBL-TA-3008

Review TAs added by Sanjay starting at SBL-TA-SP04

8. Issue Discussion

a) Issue 41

SBPEL2022 has an incorrect 'MAY' and is not applied recursively

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-41

Email discussion -

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200905/msg00035.html

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200905/msg00041.html

b) Issue 42

SBPEL3004 has an incorrect 'MAY'

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-42

Email discussion --

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200905/msg00022.html

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200905/msg00025.html

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200905/msg00031.html

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200905/msg00040.html

9. Plan for testing

Seeking volunteers to write test cases

10. AOB

anish: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200905/msg00038.html

Najeeb Andrabi: May 14th minutes approved.

Najeeb Andrabi: Action Item review

anish: http://osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-43

Najeeb Andrabi: All action items pending except AI 78 and 79.

Najeeb Andrabi: Issue 43 discussion

Najeeb Andrabi: Danny moves to open issue 43

Najeeb Andrabi: Khanderao seconds.

Najeeb Andrabi: Motion passed unanimously.

Najeeb Andrabi: Issue 43 is now open.

anish: Change it to talk about constraining types:

Implement an SCA Constraining Type. It should be possible to use WS-BPEL to implement any SCA Constraining Type that uses only WSDL interfaces to define services and references, possibly with some SCA specific extensions used in process definition.

Mike Edwards: +1

Najeeb Andrabi: Danny moves to adopt the proposal

Najeeb Andrabi: for issue 43

Najeeb Andrabi: Mike Edwards seconds.

Najeeb Andrabi: to resolve issue 43 with the proposal that is in jira.

Najeeb Andrabi: Motion passed unanimously

Najeeb Andrabi: Issue 43 is resolved.

anish: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200904/msg00028.html

Najeeb Andrabi: Test Assertion document review:

Najeeb Andrabi: SBL-TA-3008 review:

Najeeb Andrabi: Khanderao: Predicate needs to be corrected.

Mike Edwards: My suggestion:

Mike Edwards: Target:  partner link element of BPEL process

Mike Edwards: Prerequisite: Partner link has @myRole attribute referencing a role which is the only role of a partner link type

Mike Edwards: Predicate: partner link element has no sca-bpel:multiRefFrom attribute declared

anish: ACTION: Khanderao to modify 3008 per the suggesting in the chat

Najeeb Andrabi: Action for Khanderao to modify SBL-TA-3008 based on Mike Edwards suggestion.

anish: ACTION: editors to clean up prerequisite so that they are inlined

Khanderao: Prerequisit: Partner link has a sca-bpel:service attribute.

Khanderao: Predicate: Partnerlink does not have the sca-bpel:multiRefFrom attribute

anish: ACTION: Khanderao to modify 3009 per the text in the chat

Najeeb Andrabi: SBL-TA-3010 assertion discussion:

Najeeb Andrabi: Mike Edwards: partner link is not what is getting tested.

Khanderao: Target: Sca-bpel:multiRefFrom attribute on partnerLink element

Najeeb Andrabi: Anish:

Najeeb Andrabi: A partnerLink associated with the multi-valued reference via a scabpel:

multiRefFrom attribute (see SBPEL3010, SBPEL3008 and

SBPEL3009)

Najeeb Andrabi: is only required Prerequisite.

anish: prereq: Partner link has a sca-bpel:multiRefFrom attribute.

anish: Action: Khanderao to modify 3010 per chat

anish ping

Najeeb Andrabi: Anish and Khanderao test assertion review completed.

Najeeb Andrabi: Test assertions by Sanjay still needs to reviewed.

anish: a) Issue 41

SBPEL2022 has an incorrect 'MAY' and is not applied recursively

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-41

Email discussion -

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200905/msg00035.html

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200905/msg00041.html

Najeeb Andrabi: Issue #41 discussion

anish: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200905/doc00002.doc

Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: lexical ordering is the only ordering, so there is no need to be explicit.

Najeeb Andrabi: Danny: there is in-consistency in how the derived partner link names are generated by the algorithm.

Najeeb Andrabi: Martin Chapman: concerns about lexical order as it can be changed in parallel flow.

Najeeb Andrabi: Martin Chapman: for this algorithm to work the BPEL process files have to exactly the same.

Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: Algorithm should to mangle partner link names that do not collide.

Najeeb Andrabi: not

Najeeb Andrabi: Danny: prefers one pass algorithm.

Martin C: does any one actually have examples where clashes occur; i mean real life ones

Martin C: time gentlemen please