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Subject: TAG TC 2010-08-17 Meeting Minutes
Test Assertions Guidelines (TAG) TC Teleconference Meeting
Logistics:
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Tuesday 2pm (PDT), 21:00Z, 17 August 2010
Host confcall: Fujitsu
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Attendance and Quorum
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MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE
3/5 Voting Members attending: 4/5 requirement for quorum was satisfied
* Jacques Durand, Chair (Fujitsu)
* Dennis Hamilton, Secretary (Individual)
* Frederick Boland (NIST)
* Paul Rank (Oracle)
[*: Voting member at start and conclusion of the meeting (4)]
MEMBERS ABSENT
Dale Moberg (Axway Software)
Youngkon Lee (Individual)
Kyoung_Rog Yi (National IT Industry Promotion Agency, Korea)
= Patrick Curran (Oracle)
Dmitry Kostovarov, (Oracle)
- Kevin Looney (Oracle)
Victor Rudometov, (Oracle)
Hyunbo Cho (Pohang University of Science & Technology)
[-: Voting member losing voting rights at conclusion of meeting (1)
=: Persistent non-Voting Member at start and conclusion of meeting (1)]
1. ADMINISTRATIVE MATTERS
1.1 APPROVAL OF PREVIOUS MINUTES
<http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tag/201008/msg00001.html>,
<http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tag/201008/msg00002.html>
The 2010-08-03 Meeting Minutes were approved without objection
1.2 APPROVAL OF AGENDA
<http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tag/201008/msg00010.html>
The agenda was followed.
1.3 ACTION ITEMS AND JIRA ISSUES
Jacques had created a review of action items after the previous meeting
and Dennis will reflect them in the current minutes (below).
There are no new JIRA issues at this point.
The ones that respond to public comments may need to be updated. We also
need to provide an account in some form, for the disposition of public
comments as part of initiation of the next Public Review.
2- Review candidate PR: TA Guidelines: (see email 8/12 [8/13 group notices
on archive], here is link for diffs:)
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=38997
3- Review candidate PR: TA Model: (see email 8/12, here is link for diffs:)
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=38999
4- Review candidate PR: TA Markup: (see email 8/12, here is link for diffs:)
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=39002
ACTION ITEMS
Completed actions are per the review by Jacques posted to the list on
2010-08-04,
<http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tag/201008/msg00003.html>. Closed
actions will not appear on further minutes. Still-open items are shown with
a "*" to make them stand out in this list.
* AI1-Aug17: [Jacques/Dennis] Update JIRA to reflect dispositions of issues
created in response to public review comments.
* AI1-Aug17: [Jacques/Dennis] Create an account of the disposition of Public
Review comments in an appropriate form.
DONE: AI1-Aug3: [Jacques] Propose closing of completed Action Items to the
TC list.
* AI2-Aug3: [Jacques] Upload new TA Markup Schema by August 10.
* AI1-June23: [Kevin] Review the guidelines to see if there is a need for
more alignment now that the model document has been refined.
* AI2-June23: [Jacques] Add some information to the Model and the Guidelines
concerning the description element and how it should be used.
* AI3-June23: [Jacques] Note that the UML diagram must change on test set to
align with the change in language.
* AI4-June23 [Jacques] Update the XML Schema for the Markup to reflect the
changes being made.
DONE: AI5-June23 [Jacques] Repost the documents as they are at the end of
June.
DONE: AI6-June23 [Jacques] Determine whether Guidelines need to provide
advice/examples and references to finer details within the Model
DONE: AI1-June9: [Jacques] Revise the components on JIRA and add list of
versions that can be used in the Applies Version and Fix Version pull-downs
on JIRA.
* AI2-June9: [Jacques] Create an issue on the Normative Source Structure and
how we propose to simplify it.
DONE: AI1-May25: [All] Review the direction taken in TA Model CD01-rev02
in
preparation for approving the updated conformance section and the approach
to providing semantics in the TA Model on the next call (tbd after June 8).
DONE: AI2-May25: [Jacques] will upload a more-complete version of TAML
showing
the RelaxNG usage.
DONE: AI3-May25: [Jacques] upload an update of the TA Model draft
DONE: AI4-May25: [All] Look over Normative Source and RefSourceItems,
TextSourceItems, DerivedSourceItems for Section 3, how semantics are placed,
and how the changes are working before Jacques continues in a week.
DONE: AI5-May25: [Jacques] Determine workable call time and date for the
first
call in June.
DONE: AI1-May11: [Jacques] check with Patrick Curran about when his leave
ends
DONE: AI2-May11: *Done* [Jacques] create a standing "TAG Promotion" item
in the
agenda
DONE: AI1-Apr27: [Dennis] to investigate "Compact" RelaxNG for our Markup
syntax. [Jacques finds this tutorial:
http://www.relaxng.org/compact-tutorial-20030326.html]
[Dennis since found a compact form used in a W3C specification, adding it
to TAG-4, http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tag/201005/msg00014.html]
DONE: AI2-Apr27: *Done* [Jacques] to check the JIRA page, possible
re-configuration,
add Dennis as authorized user.
DONE: AI1-Mar30: [Jacques] follow-up with Dave P. on his comments, to make
sure
we address them correctly.
DONE: AI3-Mar30: [Jacques] Contact W3C test team to remind them of PR,
calling
for comments.
DONE: AI4-Mar30: [Kevin] Contact Oracle internally to confirm they know
about
the PR (folks who contacted him)
DONE: AI5-Mar30: [Dennis] Investigate RDF possible representation for the
TA
Model. (ontologies / OWL?)
2. TA GUIDELINES PUBLIC-REVIEW CANDIDATE REVIEW
Link to Change-Tracked Version:
<http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=38997>
Jacques took us through the Guidelines, especially where there are marked-up
changes. A desirable change to Figure 3 was found. There will be a new
draft with that change before we ballot.
3. TA MODEL PUBLIC-REVIEW CANDIDATE REVIEW
Link to Change-Tracked Version:
<http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=38999>
Jacques took us through the DIFF of the cleaned-up Model draft. Jacques
added a revision history at the back. It seems consistent and ready at this
point.
4. TEST ASSERTION MARKUP PUBLIC-REVIEW CANDIDATE REVIEW
Link to Change-Tracked Version:
<http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=39002>
Dennis had a problem viewing the DIFFs and it turns out that his
settings of red highlighting for deletions failed when the deleted text is
in a red font. It looked as if there were big blogs of blank space being
deleted. Recommendation: Publish DIFFs in PDF form so that settings and
capabilities of the application used to view the change-tracked version do
not matter.
Again, there was no indication of material difficulties as Jacques took
us through a review of the DIFF.
5. NEXT PUBLIC REVIEW AND FURTHER STEPS
Objective in Short term is initiating Public Review in OASIS.
At the start of the meeting, we discussed that we could vote today or,
if there are more changes to be done, initiate electronic ballot after the
changes are made.
Jacques is thinking about requesting a longer than 15-day Public Review
because of the amount of change in the key documents.
Dennis suggests doing an electronic ballot, if we are comfortable at the
end of this meeting, and then we can look at them and approve as new CDs for
Public Review. Otherwise, if we feel there are more things to needed, we
would wait until the next call to resolve our own comments and fix things
before the next meeting, so we could approve then.
Based on the discussion from the review of the candidate drafts during
the call, Jacques is going to wait until the end of the week (08-19). We
should report any obvious issues or problems, so they can be fixed with
creation of new candidates. We will then start an electronic ballot on
these documents as new committee drafts for submission for a new Public
Review.
6. NEXT MEETING
The next call will be on TUESDAY August 31.
- Dennis E. Hamilton
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