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Subject: [ubl-ndrsc] Minutes for 19 June 2002 UBL NDR SC meeting
Minutes for 19 June 2002 UBL NDR SC meeting 1. Roll call (quorum is 8) * Bill Burcham regrets (for next week too) * Mavis Cournane YES * Mark Crawford YES (joined y:53) * Fabrice Desré awol * Matt Gertner awol * Arofan Gregory YES * Jessica Glace YES * Eduardo Gutentag YES * John Larmouth awol * Eve Maler YES * Sue Probert regrets (for next week too) * Lisa Seaburg YES * Gunther Stuhec YES (happy birthday!) (left y:33) * Paul Thorpe YES Quorum achieved at x:38. 2. Acceptance of minutes of previous meetings 22 May 2002 http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-ndrsc/200205/msg00018.html 29 May 2002 http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-ndrsc/200205/msg00033.html 3-6 June 2002 http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-ndrsc/200206/msg00001.html All accepted. 3. Adoption of agenda Adopted with addition of 3a. 3a. Portal plans Eve is restructuring the portal. Mavis has offered to help with portal maintenance. Reminder: Authors of papers should try to provide both the source and PDF. PDF only isn't ideal, because we need the source for various reasons. ACTION: Eve to reorganize and clarify the portal, so that non-current documents and distributions are moved to an archive area, and current documents are all together. 4. Brief reports from other SCs Lisa report on LC SC: - They have gone through the spreadsheet comments and divvied up action items. They're looking for a process to manage the revision of the spreadsheet since there are now a lot of people "touching" it. - They are struggling with the code/identifier problem still. We seem to feel that we have a good solution we can propose; can we write it up in time for them to consider it properly? The idea is to treat the "identifier" semantic as a property term, and relegate the code (or number or whatever) format to the RT. ACTION: Eve to ensure that we check on this again next week. - They are working on some position papers. We think that, in the case of the Date/Time position paper, this is really an NDR paper rather than an LC paper, but we need to get better about listing the specific questions we have that they will care about and want to weigh in on. - They are working on a paper describing the methodology domain groups should use to ensure that their work fits into the UBL Library. 5. Collaboration with Library Content SC, using containership as a concrete example We conjectured that the "list of" problem is something that the Tools folks can indeed apply programmatically (as noted in the Containership paper), and the "nested groups" problem is likely to be naturally taken care of because the modeling folks will see the need there for aggregate BIEs. However, we do have suggestions for considering additional needs for aggregate BIEs, based on our requirements for Context Methodology mechanisms and processing concerns (e.g., XSLT). We are determined to ensure that this issue doesn't become "political" and that we're focused on the best possible UBL we can build. ACTION: Eve to approach Tim and Jon to suggest a "SWAT team" idea, with the relevant chairs and common voting members getting together (say, a quick phone call every two weeks) to discuss common needs and division of responsibilities. We briefly discussed the notion of the requirement for our model to be XML-neutral (to the extent possible). We're a little uncomfortable with the difficulties inherent in putting enough information into the spreadsheet to allow us to "push the schema button". It was suggested that the SWAT team idea will ease some of the technical tensions here. 6. Schedule planning - Near term: code list rules document by July 17 - Also work on NDR document review on July 17 and every two weeks thereafter - Tentative plan is to have next F2F on October 1-4 (Tue-Fri) - Our deadline for distribution #3 would be approx. September 20 - The following week people can work on LC stuff (etc.) instead - July 3 meeting: Eduardo and Eve can't make it. Mark will chair. But as we get closer, we may cancel it. - What should our standard for position papers be? We should have three categories of documents: 1. The official outputs of the group (e.g., NDR doc) 2. "Focus papers" that are outputs of the group seeking input from NDR SC *and* non-NDR SC audiences 3. Position papers with individual authors that have an internal NDR audience, and that get archived when in disuse or done - How should we be handling comments? We're sort of exempt from responding formally to any commenters to date, because we didn't tell anyone to expect responses. Nonetheless, we have tried to at least respond to email. We agreed to maintain a spreadsheet to manage issues. ACTION: Lisa to create a blank issues spreadsheet based on the LC SC version, with Tim's Containership comments populated as a sample. 7. Action item review Mavis: - Review V04 of design rules. DONE - Review Gunther's script for new issues. IN PROGRESS - With Gunther, add *Type/*ContentType info to the NDR document. - With Eve, submit NDR topic to XML2002 by June 15. - With Bill, incorporate CCTS feedback metamodel into the Relationship with CC section of NDR doc. Eve: - Cancel current NDR SC telecon reservation. DONE - Set up CM SC telecon and explain CM Phase 1 idea to Matt/Bill. DONE - Extract code list chapter and finish it. - Write a code list FAQ. - Do an analysis of the supp-components-of-supp-components problem. DONE - Reorg portal to make new archive and add info on future work. - Check next week on willingness to write code/identifier focus paper. - Approach Tim and Jon on SWAT team idea. Mark: - Bring up code list recommendation to the liaison SC. DONE - Submit topic on building the UBL community to XML2002 by June 15. DONE Eduardo: - With Arofan/Matt, submit Context Meth topic to XML2002 by June 15. Gunther: - Submit UBL tools/techniques topic to XML2002 by June 15. DONE - Revise Dates/Times paper. DONE - Revise facet paper? - Write content referencing paper. IN PROGRESS Bill: - Update modnamver. - Revise role model paper? Arofan: - Forward the latest version of the xCBL versioning paper. Lisa: - Create starter issues spreadsheet. Eduardo: - Check whether XHTML Basic has <div>. 8. Prioritize next batch of work: A = must be done by September 20 (or sooner) B = nice to have by September 20 C = optional A NDR document improvements (review every two weeks) A+ Embedded documentation A Code lists A Nested supplementary components A Dates and times A Identifier references and whether to pass content by reference A- Local vs. global elements B+ Containership B Updating guiding principles B Modnamver URN/schema location B Referencing of content, e.g. for attachments C Facets C Wildcards/open content C Nillability C Aggregation of similar information for XPath V1.0 addressing 9. Embedded documentation - Does XHTML Basic have the <div> tag? Is this a good choice? We agreed that it's a good choice. ACTION: Eduardo to check to see if XHTML Basic has <div>. - How shall we name the documentation labels in CLASS=? Should we consider the idea of namespacing CLASS= values? We don't even know if colons are allowed there, and we don't want to use them. Arofan has suggested that, for the values, we use the spreadsheet column heads, suitably edited. For external code list modules, which are a special case, we may not want to mention "UBL" at all, but rather use names that are based on the CCTS somehow. This may help adoption. 10. Code list issues - Known issues: . Add non-normative info about RNG code list schemas? . What to say about locally scoped code lists? . Should code list modules declare elements too? . What should documentation labels be? Deferred. 11. Adjourn Adjourned z:30. -- Eve Maler +1 781 442 3190 Sun Microsystems cell +1 781 883 5917 XML Web Services / Industry Initiatives eve.maler @ sun.com
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