RE: [cgmo-webcgm] QUESTION: ban 0x09, 0x0A, 0x0D from 'name' ?

[Lofton Henderson <lofton@rockynet.com>]

At 05:01 PM 10/4/2005 -0600, Robert Orosz wrote:
>I think the parenthetical comment would be helpful.

Will do.

>I had never heard the
>term "format effector" before, and glossed over it when I read the PPF.

I think it might come from ASCII?  Just looking at the summaries of the 
Google hits, they seemed to mention ASCII a lot.

-Lofton.


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lofton Henderson [mailto:lofton@rockynet.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 4:35 PM
>To: Robert Orosz; cgmo-webcgm@lists.oasis-open.org
>Subject: RE: [cgmo-webcgm] QUESTION: ban 0x09, 0x0A, 0x0D from 'name' ?
>
>
>Thanks for looking it up, Robert.  I myself didn't remember that it was in
>CGM:1999.
>
>Should we add the parenthetical "(NUL, CR, LF, BS, HT, VT, and FF)" to the
>PPF, to avoid future confusion?
>
>-Lofton.
>
>At 01:14 PM 10/4/2005 -0600, Robert Orosz wrote:
> >I found the definition of format effector in CGM99 itself.
> >
> >The first sentence of the last paragraph in section 6.3.4.5 has it.
> >
> >Format effector control characters (NUL, CR, LF, BS, HT, VT, and FF) are
> >permitted in a (sic) parameters of type String Fixed but their
> >interpretation is implementation dependent.
> >
> >I apologize for not looking there sooner!
> >
> >Rob
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Robert Orosz [mailto:roboro@AUTO-TROL.com]
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 11:32 AM
> >To: 'Lofton Henderson'; cgmo-webcgm@lists.oasis-open.org
> >Subject: RE: [cgmo-webcgm] QUESTION: ban 0x09, 0x0A, 0x0D from 'name' ?
> >
> >
> >Hi Lofton,
> >
> >That is a nice reference.  However, its official status within the IETF is
> >"UNKNOWN."  I certainly would not want to use this as a normative
>reference.
> >
> >I decided the most logical place to start is page 1 of CGM99 under the
> >heading "3 Normative references."
> >
> >Rob
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Lofton Henderson [mailto:lofton@rockynet.com]
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:56 AM
> >To: Robert Orosz; cgmo-webcgm@lists.oasis-open.org
> >Subject: RE: [cgmo-webcgm] QUESTION: ban 0x09, 0x0A, 0x0D from 'name' ?
> >
> >
> >
> >At 10:26 AM 10/4/2005 -0600, Robert Orosz wrote:
> > >OK, I'll see if I can come up with the answer to the question of what a
> > >format effector is.
> > >
> > >I'm looking at ISO/IEC 2022 right now, and the answer is not jumping out
>at
> > >me.
> >
> >Here might an alternative place to start... note the "FE" entries in the
> >table...
> >http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc20.html
> >
> >-Lofton.
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Lofton Henderson [mailto:lofton@rockynet.com]
> > >Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:22 AM
> > >To: Robert Orosz; cgmo-webcgm@lists.oasis-open.org
> > >Subject: RE: [cgmo-webcgm] QUESTION: ban 0x09, 0x0A, 0x0D from 'name' ?
> > >
> > >
> > >At 10:11 AM 10/4/2005 -0600, Robert Orosz wrote:
> > > >OK, that raises the question, what is a format effector?  I assumed it
> >was
> > > >talking about ANSI style escape sequences.  However, I don't see it
> >defined
> > > >in sections 9.5.4.6 or 9.5.4.7 of CGM99.
> > > >
> > > >What is a format effector?  Is it defined somewhere in CGM99 or one of
> >the
> > > >normative references therein?
> > >
> > >Another good point, Rob.  I don't know the answer, right off hand.  I
>have
> > >a feeling it could be defined somewhere like ISO 2022 (isn't that where
>C0
> > >and C1 control characters are defined? ).
> > >
> > >I know from ancient history that we (ISO CGM group) were talking about
> > >things like HORIZONTAL TAB, NEWLINE, CARRIAGE RETURN, VERTICAL TAB, etc/
> > >
> > >Are you interested to research and come up with the answer?  It would be
> > >good to spell out, just what "format effectors" includes.  I just googled
> > >"format effector", and there are plenty of hits.  (I'd like to keep
> > >processing review comments for tomorrow, rather than get side tracked.)
> > >
> > >-Lofton.