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Subject: Re: [chairs] Re: Quorum required for good standing
I'll take that out of the Guidelines. I'm intending a revision just after the Kavi launch as there's probably some procedures that will change. If anyone has any other comments or concerns about the Guidelines please let me know. -Karl Hal Lockhart wrote: > The key point is that under the current rules, just by sending an email to > the chair and NEVER SHOWING UP for any meeting or call, a few people can > keep a TC from attaining quorum, EVER. The phenomenon of people signing up > and never showing up has occurred on every TC I have joined. Most of the TCs > I have joined have had repeated difficulties achieving quorum at some point > in their lifecycle, usually in the first few months. > > In the "Organizing and Conducting Meetings" section of the Oasis TC > Guidelines it says: > > "Only quorate meetings (majority of members in attendance) can be used to > determine membership based on attendance, and TC decisions can only be made > with quorum in attendance." > > Hal > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Karl Best [mailto:karl.best@oasis-open.org] >>Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 9:10 AM >>To: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org >>Subject: [chairs] Re: Quorum required for good standing >> >> >>The OASIS TC Process says that a person must attend two out of three >>meetings, but it doesn't define what consitutes a meeting. In >>all cases >>where the TC Process doesn't define something we must look to >>RRO. I've >>been under the impression that only quorate meetings would count for >>attendence rules, but I think that the reference Jon gave us >>would say >>otherwise. >> >>But you'll still want to keep track of attendence and send >>out warnings >>to people who don't attend because non-attending members make it >>difficult or impossible for the TC to ever achieve quorum and >>be able to >>transact business. >> >>-Karl >> >> >> >> >> >>Hal Lockhart wrote: >> >>>I agree completely with this. This one of the two changes I >> >>was going to >> >>>propose to the TC process. I had wanted to look up what >> >>Robert's says. Thank >> >>>you Jon. >>> >>>I have been in several TC where we would NEVER have >> >>achieved quorum if we >> >>>had not been ignorant of and not followed this rule. Every >> >>TC I have been >> >>>has a certain number of no shows and if you can't get rid >> >>of them w/o quorum >> >>>you are stuck. >>> >>>I think the OASIS process, regularly scheduled meetings, >> >>open archives and >> >>>minutes, ability of 10% of membership to veto a Standard, >> >>has adequate >> >>>safeguards to keep a small group from hijacking a TC. >>> >>>Hal >>> >>> >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Jon Bosak [mailto:Jon.Bosak@sun.com] >>>>Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 4:22 PM >>>>To: karl.best@oasis-open.org >>>>Cc: rphilpott@rsasecurity.com; chairs@lists.oasis-open.org; >>>>colin.evans@intel.com; ckurt@microsoft.com; >>> >>eduardo.gutentag@sun.com; >> >>>>Donald.Bergeron@lexisnexis.com; leahyt@wellsfargo.com; >>>>zagelow@us.ibm.com; higgins@kavi.com >>>>Subject: Re: [chairs] Info for chair setup of Kavi TC areas >>>> >>>> >>>>| Yes, as I said above. A person will sign up for the TC, be made a >>>>| prospective member and assigned an Observer role, then converted >>>>| to Member after 60 days or three meetings. (This is another reason >>>>| that you need to keep track of meeting attendance. Only meetings >>>>| that achieve quorum count as valid meetings, and the number of >>>>| valid meetings is used to calculate the three meeting rule.) >>>> >>>>I don't think this is correct. Good standing is (or should be) >>>>based on good-faith attempts to attend meetings. Attendance at >>>>regularly scheduled meetings that fail to achieve a quorum should >>>>count for this. >>>> >>>>Robert's says: >>>> >>>> ... if a quorum fails to appear at a regular or properly called >>>> meeting, the inability to transact business does not detract >>>> from the fact that the society's rules requiring the meeting to >>>> be held were complied with and the meeting was convened ... >>>> (pp. 341-342) >>>> >>>>I think this applies to both the three-meeting rule for >>>>prospective members and the two-out-of-three meetings rule for >>>>members in good standing. >>>> >>>>Jon >>>> >>>> >>>>---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >>>>manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> >>>> >>> >>> >> >>-- >>================================================================= >>Karl F. Best >>Vice President, OASIS >>+1 978.667.5115 x206 >>karl.best@oasis-open.org http://www.oasis-open.org >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------- >>To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >>manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription > manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> > > -- ================================================================= Karl F. Best Vice President, OASIS +1 978.667.5115 x206 karl.best@oasis-open.org http://www.oasis-open.org
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