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Subject: Re: [chairs] public comment web form
Rich: I don't have a problem with encouraging public input into the technical work of the TC. So in that sense I agree with what you've said. However, as you say in #2 below, > ... Responses that provide answers/ask for clarification are > acceptable, but technical discussions on the merits of different items > is not. How do we stop discussions from taking place? What mechanism can we put in place that allows input without discussion? You suggest > ... I would rather see a mechanism put into place that would > allow OASIS TC Admin to moderate a comment list that is being abused > rather than throwing out the forum from the overall process. But that seems to imply a person (me?) acting as moderator to allow comments to be sent but to stop things when it looks like a discussion is starting up. The problem is, this takes a lot of time that I don't have. Nor does anyone else on OASIS staff have the time to act as moderator for any of our 200+ lists. I'm open to suggestions that I can pass on to the Board for refining the Process. -Karl Rich Thompson wrote: > > I see. I would be concerned that this may be a case of "throwing out the > baby with the bath water". I say that not because the WSRP comment list > has been heavily used (I'm sure I received more private emails asking > questions as the spec editor than the comment list did), but rather > because I see utility to having two distinct discussion forums: > > 1. Expert oriented - only TC members may post to this list and its > primary purpose is to hold discussions on the technical issues before > the TC. > > 2. Public oriented - Any subscriber may post to this list and its > primary purpose is for comments and questions from the public on the > work of the TC. Responses that provide answers/ask for clarification are > acceptable, but technical discussions on the merits of different items > is not. > > Clearly the main TC and SC email lists provide the function of #1 and it > sounds like many of us thought the comment list provided the function of > #2. Provided there is general agreement that this is important > functionality, I would rather see a mechanism put into place that would > allow OASIS TC Admin to moderate a comment list that is being abused > rather than throwing out the forum from the overall process. > > Rich Thompson > OASIS WSRP TC Chair > > > "Karl F. Best" <karl.best@oasis-open.org> > > 09/05/2003 08:37 AM > Please respond to karl.best > > > To: Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS > cc: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: Re: [chairs] public comment web form > > > > > Yes, there have been TCs who have conducted technical discussions on the > comment lists. Under the guise of getting technical input from a broad > number of sources, they have actually reduced the incentive for people > to join the TC. > > -Karl > > > Rich Thompson wrote: > > > > So if I understand the design: > > - There will no longer be a -comment email list one can subscribe to > > - There will be a web form for submitting comments > > - These comments will be emailed to the chair and appended to a > > publically accessible archive > > > > This maintains accountability, but is a drop on the openness front. > > Still accountable because anyone can go search the -comment archive, but > > less open as many fewer will do that than who subscribe to the -comment > > lists today. > > > > I guess I would back up and question why it is a problem for the public > > email list to be a discussion forum. Have there been instances where > > this was distractive to the work of the TC or perhaps used > > inappropriately by some members of the public? Other reasons driving the > > change? > > > > Rich Thompson > > OASIS WSRP TC Chair > > > > > > "Karl F. Best" <karl.best@oasis-open.org> > > > > 09/04/2003 02:01 PM > > Please respond to karl.best > > > > > > To: Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS > > cc: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org > > Subject: Re: [chairs] public comment web form > > > > > > > > > > The submitted comment will be forwarded to the chair as well as put in > > the -comment archive. So there will still be the same accountability for > > the comments received. > > > > -Karl > > > > > > Rich Thompson wrote: > > > > > > One could always argue that the chair can forward the comment with a > > > reply to the TC mail list rather than a private response. I was more > > > concerned that this takes what was an open communication (posting > to an > > > email list) and turns it into a private communication (email to the > > > chair). This seems to go against the open nature of OASIS. > > > > > > Rich Thompson > > > OASIS WSRP TC Chair > > > > > > > > > "Drummond Reed" <drummond.reed@onename.com> > > > > > > 09/04/2003 01:27 PM > > > > > > > > > To: <lauren@textuality.com>, > <chairs@lists.oasis-open.org> > > > cc: "Gabe Wachob (E-mail)" <gwachob@visa.com> > > > Subject: RE: [chairs] public comment web form > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karl, > > > > > > I agree with Lauren. At least a limited form of public discussion > seems > > > like a valuable portion of what OASIS provides. What was the board's > > > thinking on this? > > > > > > =Drummond > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Lauren Wood [mailto:lauren@textuality.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:02 AM > > > To: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org > > > Subject: [chairs] public comment web form > > > > > > Karl wrote: > > > > > > * The TC's public comment list is replaced with a "means to collect > > > public comments", which will be a web form. (This is to prevent the > > > comment list from being used as a discussion list.) Comments > > > collected by the web form will go to the chairs. I'm having the web > > > forms built now and will announce to the comment lists when this > > > change will take place. > > > > > > > > > Karl, > > > > > > how do we then ask clarifying questions, or make quick replies (along > > > the lines of "see section 2.1. in the spec - isn't that clear > > > enough?" > > > > > > I can understand not wanting full discussions, but we often do need > > > clarifying discussions to know what the comment provider really > > > meant. And I'd rather not have that take place in private email. > > > > > > Lauren > > > > > > --- > > > Lauren Wood, Textuality > > > Chair, ER TC > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the > roster of > > > the OASIS TC), go to > > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/chairs/members/leave_workgr > > > oup.php. > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the > roster of > > > the OASIS TC), go to > > > > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/chairs/members/leave_workgroup.php. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ================================================================= > > Karl F. Best > > Vice President, OASIS > > office +1 978.667.5115 x206 mobile +1 978.761.1648 > > karl.best@oasis-open.org http://www.oasis-open.org > > > > > > > -- > ================================================================= > Karl F. Best > Vice President, OASIS > office +1 978.667.5115 x206 mobile +1 978.761.1648 > karl.best@oasis-open.org http://www.oasis-open.org > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster of > the OASIS TC), go to > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/chairs/members/leave_workgroup.php. > > -- ================================================================= Karl F. Best Vice President, OASIS office +1 978.667.5115 x206 mobile +1 978.761.1648 karl.best@oasis-open.org http://www.oasis-open.org
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