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Subject: Re: [chairs] public comment web form
We briefly gave some thought a few months back to having the TC chair moderate the public-comment lists, and as a chair, I understand how that can be a time consuming task, so perhaps we could authorize TC list co-moderator where it would be possible to swap the task, such as one week on/one week off? Rex At 9:48 AM -0400 9/5/03, Karl F. Best wrote: >Rich: > >I don't have a problem with encouraging public input into the >technical work of the TC. So in that sense I agree with what you've >said. However, as you say in #2 below, > >> ... Responses that provide answers/ask for clarification are >> acceptable, but technical discussions on the merits of different items >> is not. > >How do we stop discussions from taking place? What mechanism can we >put in place that allows input without discussion? You suggest > >> ... I would rather see a mechanism put into place that would >> allow OASIS TC Admin to moderate a comment list that is being abused >> rather than throwing out the forum from the overall process. > >But that seems to imply a person (me?) acting as moderator to allow >comments to be sent but to stop things when it looks like a >discussion is starting up. The problem is, this takes a lot of time >that I don't have. Nor does anyone else on OASIS staff have the time >to act as moderator for any of our 200+ lists. > >I'm open to suggestions that I can pass on to the Board for refining >the Process. > >-Karl > > > > >Rich Thompson wrote: >> >>I see. I would be concerned that this may be a case of "throwing >>out the baby with the bath water". I say that not because the WSRP >>comment list has been heavily used (I'm sure I received more >>private emails asking questions as the spec editor than the comment >>list did), but rather because I see utility to having two distinct >>discussion forums: >> >>1. Expert oriented - only TC members may post to this list and its >>primary purpose is to hold discussions on the technical issues >>before the TC. >> >>2. Public oriented - Any subscriber may post to this list and its >>primary purpose is for comments and questions from the public on >>the work of the TC. Responses that provide answers/ask for >>clarification are acceptable, but technical discussions on the >>merits of different items is not. >> >>Clearly the main TC and SC email lists provide the function of #1 >>and it sounds like many of us thought the comment list provided the >>function of #2. Provided there is general agreement that this is >>important functionality, I would rather see a mechanism put into >>place that would allow OASIS TC Admin to moderate a comment list >>that is being abused rather than throwing out the forum from the >>overall process. >> >>Rich Thompson >>OASIS WSRP TC Chair >> >> >>"Karl F. Best" <karl.best@oasis-open.org> >> >>09/05/2003 08:37 AM >>Please respond to karl.best >> >> >> To: Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS >> cc: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org >> Subject: Re: [chairs] public comment web form >> >> >> >> >>Yes, there have been TCs who have conducted technical discussions on the >>comment lists. Under the guise of getting technical input from a broad >>number of sources, they have actually reduced the incentive for people >>to join the TC. >> >>-Karl >> >> >>Rich Thompson wrote: >> > >> > So if I understand the design: >> > - There will no longer be a -comment email list one can subscribe to >> > - There will be a web form for submitting comments >> > - These comments will be emailed to the chair and appended to a >> > publically accessible archive >> > >> > This maintains accountability, but is a drop on the openness front. >> > Still accountable because anyone can go search the -comment archive, but >> > less open as many fewer will do that than who subscribe to the -comment >> > lists today. >> > >> > I guess I would back up and question why it is a problem for the public >> > email list to be a discussion forum. Have there been instances where >> > this was distractive to the work of the TC or perhaps used >> > inappropriately by some members of the public? Other reasons driving the >> > change? >> > >> > Rich Thompson >> > OASIS WSRP TC Chair >> > >> > >> > "Karl F. Best" <karl.best@oasis-open.org> >> > >> > 09/04/2003 02:01 PM >> > Please respond to karl.best >> > >> > >> > To: Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS >> > cc: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org >> > Subject: Re: [chairs] public comment web form >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > The submitted comment will be forwarded to the chair as well as put in >> > the -comment archive. So there will still be the same accountability for >> > the comments received. >> > >> > -Karl >> > >> > >> > Rich Thompson wrote: >> > > >> > > One could always argue that the chair can forward the comment with a >> > > reply to the TC mail list rather than a private response. I was more >> > > concerned that this takes what was an open communication (posting to an >> > > email list) and turns it into a private communication (email to the >> > > chair). This seems to go against the open nature of OASIS. >> > > >> > > Rich Thompson >> > > OASIS WSRP TC Chair >> > > >> > > >> > > "Drummond Reed" <drummond.reed@onename.com> >> > > >> > > 09/04/2003 01:27 PM >> > > >> > > >> > > To: <lauren@textuality.com>, >><chairs@lists.oasis-open.org> >> > > cc: "Gabe Wachob (E-mail)" <gwachob@visa.com> >> > > Subject: RE: [chairs] public comment web form >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Karl, >> > > >> > > I agree with Lauren. At least a limited form of public discussion seems >> > > like a valuable portion of what OASIS provides. What was the board's >> > > thinking on this? >> > > >> > > =Drummond >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Lauren Wood [mailto:lauren@textuality.com] >> > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:02 AM >> > > To: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org >> > > Subject: [chairs] public comment web form >> > > >> > > Karl wrote: >> > > >> > > * The TC's public comment list is replaced with a "means to collect >> > > public comments", which will be a web form. (This is to prevent the >> > > comment list from being used as a discussion list.) Comments >> > > collected by the web form will go to the chairs. I'm having the web >> > > forms built now and will announce to the comment lists when this >> > > change will take place. > > >> > > >> > > Karl, >> > > >> > > how do we then ask clarifying questions, or make quick replies (along >> > > the lines of "see section 2.1. in the spec - isn't that clear >> > > enough?" >> > > >> > > I can understand not wanting full discussions, but we often do need >> > > clarifying discussions to know what the comment provider really >> > > meant. And I'd rather not have that take place in private email. >> > > >> > > Lauren >> > > >> > > --- >> > > Lauren Wood, Textuality >> > > Chair, ER TC >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from >>the roster of >> > > the OASIS TC), go to >> > > >>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/chairs/members/leave_workgr >> > > oup.php. >> > > >> > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from >>the roster of >> > > the OASIS TC), go to >> > > >> > >>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/chairs/members/leave_workgroup.php. >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > ================================================================= >> > Karl F. Best >> > Vice President, OASIS >> > office +1 978.667.5115 x206 mobile +1 978.761.1648 >> > karl.best@oasis-open.org http://www.oasis-open.org >> > >> > >> >> >>-- >>================================================================= >>Karl F. Best >>Vice President, OASIS >>office +1 978.667.5115 x206 mobile +1 978.761.1648 >>karl.best@oasis-open.org http://www.oasis-open.org >> >> >>To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the >>roster of the OASIS TC), go to >>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/chairs/members/leave_workgroup.php. >> > > >-- >================================================================= >Karl F. Best >Vice President, OASIS >office +1 978.667.5115 x206 mobile +1 978.761.1648 >karl.best@oasis-open.org http://www.oasis-open.org > > >To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the >roster of the OASIS TC), go to >http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/chairs/members/leave_workgroup.php. -- Rex Brooks GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA, 94702 USA, Earth W3Address: http://www.starbourne.com Email: rexb@starbourne.com Tel: 510-849-2309 Fax: By Request
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