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Subject: RE: [chairs] What can Standards Development / TC Administration doto help?
> People still use urn based ns? Yes, and they are far from dead (at OASIS and IETF, anyway). I'd guess that statistically 'most' IETF specs use URNs, but I may be wrong about that. Recent examples at OASIS: SAML V2.0 Kerberos Web Browser SSO Profile Version 1.0 Declared XML Namespace(s): urn:oasis:names:tc:SAML:2.0:profiles:kerberos:SSO:browser http://docs.oasis-open.org/security/saml/Post2.0/sstc-saml-kerberos-browser-sso-cd-01.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tc-announce/201004/msg00005.html Common Alerting Protocol Version 1.2 Declared XML Namespace: urn:oasis:names:tc:emergency:cap:1.2 http://docs.oasis-open.org/emergency/cap/v1.2/pr03/CAP-v1.2-PR03.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tc-announce/201003/msg00016.html Open Document Format for Office Applications (OpenDocument) Version 1.2, Part 3: Packages Declared XML Namespaces: urn:oasis:names:tc:opendocument:xmlns:manifest:1.0 urn:oasis:names:tc:opendocument:xmlns:digitalsignature:1.0 http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/part3/cd01/OpenDocument-v1.2-part3-cd01.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tc-announce/200911/msg00007.html -rcc Robin Cover OASIS, Director of Information Services Editor, Cover Pages and XML Daily Newslink Email: robin@oasis-open.org Staff bio: http://www.oasis-open.org/who/staff.php#cover Cover Pages: http://xml.coverpages.org/ Newsletter: http://xml.coverpages.org/newsletterArchive.html Tel: +1 972-296-1783 On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Marc Goodner wrote: > People still use urn based ns? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robin Cover [mailto:robin@oasis-open.org] > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 9:45 AM > To: Marc Goodner > Cc: Patil, Sanjay; Bob Freund; Martin Chapman; Mary McRae; chairs@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: RE: [chairs] What can Standards Development / TC Administration do to help? > >> put guids in namespaces assigned for TCs[' specifications] :-) > > That would be a good test of the assertion that TCs don't care about how their NS URIs are constructed. ;-) > > Sanjay mentioned string length and 'painful'-index as valid concerns; Bob asked "What if the TC does not like the looks of the allocated namespace..." > > Summarizing what I said earlier, TCs do tend to care about: > > a) hash type, slash type, and simple (no-trailing-delimiter) type > [choose one of the three, if you're using HTTP scheme] > > b) choice of scheme (e.g., HTTP v. URN-based namespaces) > > c) path and use of internal "/" chars in an HTTP scheme NS URI > > d) selection of a versioning subcomponent identifier substring > > etc. > > -rcc > > Robin Cover > OASIS, Director of Information Services > Editor, Cover Pages and XML Daily Newslink > Email: robin@oasis-open.org > Staff bio: http://www.oasis-open.org/who/staff.php#cover > Cover Pages: http://xml.coverpages.org/ > Newsletter: http://xml.coverpages.org/newsletterArchive.html > Tel: +1 972-296-1783 > > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Marc Goodner wrote: > >> If TCs namespaces are generated/assigned in the futures just don't put >> guids in them and we'll probably all be fine. :-) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Patil, Sanjay [mailto:sanjay.patil@sap.com] >> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 8:40 AM >> To: Bob Freund; Martin Chapman >> Cc: Mary McRae; chairs@lists.oasis-open.org >> Subject: RE: [chairs] What can Standards Development / TC Administration do to help? >> >> >> Aren't namespaces supposed to be opaque? So unless they are excessively long or practically painful in some other way, the TCs shouldn't care much about their composition, I think. >> >> As far as their uniqueness goes, I think this can be better managed by >> the authority who owns the domain name (typical component of namespace >> design) and has the overall administrative supervision over the various groups wanting to have their own namespaces. >> >> Basically, Martin's suggestion to have TC's request and get a namespace from the OASIS staff makes sense to me. >> >> Best wishes, >> Sanjay >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bob Freund [mailto:bob.freund@hitachisoftware.com] >> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 8:29 AM >> To: Martin Chapman >> Cc: Mary McRae; chairs@lists.oasis-open.org >> Subject: Re: [chairs] What can Standards Development / TC Administration do to help? >> >> Dosen't that just put the show on the other foot? >> What if the TC does not like the looks of the allocated namespace which might be some random string? >> >> On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:07 AM, Martin Chapman wrote: >> >>> How about having a service whereby TCs can request the allocation of >>> a >> namespace, rather than making one up and falling foul of the hard to interpret guidelines. This could also be accompanied with a partially filled out rddl document that points to the right places. >>> >>> Martin. >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Mary McRae [mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org] >>>> Sent: 21 April 2010 20:27 >>>> To: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org >>>> Subject: [chairs] What can Standards Development / TC Administration >> do to help? >>>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> If you've submitted a specification for public review or CS ballot >> recently, you've probably met >>>> Kim. I'm thrilled to have her on board and hopefully we're now in >> good shape to get your documents >>>> turned around quickly once again. >>>> >>>> That said, I have at least a dozen ideas of services we can once >> again offer, or new services, to >>>> make your lives a bit easier, but I thought I would ask you for your >> ideas rather than deciding for >>>> you. There are some caveats of course: >>>> >>>> a. Neither Kim nor I have the power or the skillset to change >> anything about the way Kavi works. >>>> b. We're not talking about changes to the TC Process. >>>> >>>> So, for instance: >>>> >>>> - Would you find a template for recording meeting minutes helpful? >>>> If >> yes, in what flavors? >>>> >>>> - Would you like us to take over creation of spec covers? (as in >> you'll use a temporary cover which >>>> would become part of the template, you would provide us with >>>> whatever >> information necessary, and we >>>> would create the cover pages with all the appropriate links and make >> sure they work before uploading >>>> to docs.oasis-open.org?) >>>> >>>> - Would you like us to review your specifications prior to TC >>>> ballots >> so you don't need to go back and >>>> fix stuff afterwards? >>>> >>>> - Would you like us to call in to TC meetings periodically just to >> hear our voices and answer any >>>> questions you might have? >>>> >>>> - Would you like more training materials? If yes, is there a >> particular topic you'd like to see >>>> covered? >>>> >>>> Remember these are just some of *my* ideas; I want to hear *your* >> ideas. I need to know what your TOP >>>> request is; you can have more than one, but please list in order of >> priority. While you're free to >>>> discuss on this list, please send your actual list to me so I can >> track them. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> Mary P McRae >>>> Director, Standards Development >>>> Technical Committee Administrator >>>> OASIS: Advancing open standards for the information society >>>> email: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org >>>> web: www.oasis-open.org >>>> twitter: @fiberartisan #oasisopen >>>> phone: 1.603.232.9090 >>>> >>>> Standards are like parachutes: they work best when they're open. >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >
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