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Subject: [Fwd: Re: [docbook] DocBook Technical Committee Meeting Minutes:15 July 2009]


Feedback on the publishers spec.

--Scott

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [docbook] DocBook Technical Committee Meeting Minutes: 15 
July 2009
Date: 	Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:12:32 -0600
From: 	Mimil Mimil <mimilowns@gmail.com>
To: 	Hudson, Scott <Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>
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Hello Scott,

sorry for the long delay but I haven't been able to free much spare time 
this week. I hope this little presentation document will give you some 
inputs for the publisher spec.
- I haven't duplicated the information given in 
http://www.mediachops.com/producer_chops/1_Production_Cycle/PDFs/screenplay_formatting.pdf
- I now agree on the need of different root elements (drama, poetry ...)

I am also making the maven/docbook presentation (I guess for tomorrow), 
as for now I have completed wiki pages 
(http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/Maven), tested it (simple maven 
integration) and have release working maven artifacts. The presentation 
will talk about maven, the simple integration and the advanced 
integration using a dedicated maven plugin I am developer in.

See you later,
Cédric,


On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Scott Hudson 
<scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com 
<mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>> wrote:

    Sorry to hear that. We'll try to address your questions via the
    OASIS comment facility and email then.


    Best regards,

    --Scott

    Scott Hudson    
    Senior XML Architect

    +1 (303) 542-2146  |  Office
    +1 (303) 332-1883  |  Cell
    Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com
    <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>
    ==========================================
    Flatirons Solutions
    http://www.flatironssolutions.com



    Mimil Mimil wrote:

        Hello,

        I guess I am screwed on using my company for OASIS meeting, I
        will have to fallback on making emails.

        See you later,
        Cédric,

        On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Scott Hudson
        <scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>
        <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>> wrote:

           Here's the dial-in info for France:
           0800-917733
           pcode: 16948621

           /Here’s a couple of tips when setting up international conference
           calls: /

           /1. //If your conference participants are calling outside the US
           and Canada
         
         <https://projects.flatironssolutions.com/eRoomReq/Files/Flatirons/Admin/0_21de0/International%20Conferencing%20Instructions%20%28WebEx%29.doc>,
           they must dial the toll or toll-free number
         
         <https://projects.flatironssolutions.com/eRoomReq/Files/Flatirons/Admin/0_246d6/Conf%20Call_International%20toll%20and%20toll%20free%20numbers%20%28WebEx%29.xls>
           assigned to the country they are calling from. They must wait for
           the “Welcome to WebEx” prompt before dialing the participant code
           to be connected to the conference call./

           /2. //If your participants cannot connect to the conference for
           any reason, they can call the toll international technical
        support
           line to get immediate help in connecting to the call. That number
           is +1-408-435-7088 (+ is where they might need to dial the US
           country code, ‘00’)./

           /3. //If your participants wish to dial a toll-free tech support
           line, they can call the International Toll Free tech support
           number assigned to their country. You can find those numbers
           online at http://support.webex.com/support/phone-numbers.html/

           /4. //If you wish to report technical issues to WebEx or get tech
           support help, call 1-866-229-3239/

           /5. //You can also get help and view training materials and
           tutorials online at
           http://support.webex.com/support/support-services.html/




           Best regards,

           --Scott

           Scott Hudson        Senior XML Architect

           +1 (303) 542-2146  |  Office
           +1 (303) 332-1883  |  Cell
           Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>
           <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>
           ==========================================
           Flatirons Solutions
           http://www.flatironssolutions.com



           Scott Hudson wrote:

             
         http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?month=8&day=4&year=2009&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=224&p2=195
        <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?month=8&day=4&year=2009&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=224&p2=195>
             
         <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?month=8&day=4&year=2009&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=224&p2=195
        <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?month=8&day=4&year=2009&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=224&p2=195>>

               Looks like 11pm for you. Let me know what time would work
               better for you.

               Best regards,

               --Scott

               Scott Hudson            Senior XML Architect

               +1 (303) 542-2146  |  Office
               +1 (303) 332-1883  |  Cell
               Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>
               <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>
               ==========================================
               Flatirons Solutions
               http://www.flatironssolutions.com



               Mimil Mimil wrote:
               
                   I just need to convince my manager and find the oasis
                   contact inside my company, I will do that tomorrow.

                   could you use
                   http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html with
                   France location for me?

                   Regards,
                   Cédric,

                   On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Scott Hudson
                   <scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>
                   <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>
                   <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>
                   <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>>> wrote:

                      Actually, Mary was just concerned that you be an OASIS
                   member. If
                      that's the case, we'd still love to have you at our
                   next meeting!

                      Tuesday, 04 August 2009, 12:00pm to 01:00pm PT
                      Dial US/Canada toll-free number: 1-866-699-3239
                      Participant Code: 16948621

                      I'm trying to locate the int'l dialing number, so will
                   send that
                      soon. This time may be difficult for you, as that may
                   be midnight?
                      Let me know a better time, and I'll try to reschedule
                   with the
                      committee...


                      Best regards,

                      --Scott

                      Scott Hudson        Senior XML Architect

                      +1 (303) 542-2146  |  Office
                      +1 (303) 332-1883  |  Cell
                      Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>
                   <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>
                      <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>
                   <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>>
                      ==========================================
                      Flatirons Solutions
                      http://www.flatironssolutions.com



                      Mimil Mimil wrote:

                          if it can help my company seems to be a
                   "contributor" (France
                          Telecom)
                          and I also work on OpenFormula specification
        for an
                   opensource
                          implementation that is also used by OpenOffice and
                   maybe Sun too.

                          If acting as France Telecom (was not my choice at
                   first to
                          simplify) I just need to ask if I can speak
        for them.

                          Cédric,

                          On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Scott Hudson
                          <scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>
                   <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>
                          <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>
                   <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>>
                          <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>
                   <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>
                          <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>
                   <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>>>> wrote:

                             Unfortunately, Mary McRae just informed me that
                   you must be an
                             OASIS member to participate in committee
                   meetings. Still,
                          we would
                             welcome any further comments you may have!

                             This specification was started as an attempt to
                   broaden the
                          scope
                             and acceptance of DocBook outside of the
        traditional
                          software and
                             hardware documentation.


                             Best regards,

                             --Scott

                             Scott Hudson        Senior XML Architect

                             +1 (303) 542-2146  |  Office
                             +1 (303) 332-1883  |  Cell
                             Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>
                   <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>
                          <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>
                   <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>>
                             <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>
                   <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>
                          <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>
                   <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>>>
                             ==========================================
                             Flatirons Solutions
                             http://www.flatironssolutions.com



                             Mimil Mimil wrote:

                                 Hello,

                                 I would say why not if it is compatible
        with
                   my daily work
                                 time, I will try to grab more knowledge
                   around this matter.

                                 I think we (well I) need to have more
                   information about the
                                 context of this specification.
                                 - Is there a "customer" requiring it and
                   already have some
                                 "requirements"?
                                 - Or any ideas from a pure brainstorming on
                   this topic are
                                 also welcome?

                                 I also would like to present the work I did
                   with Maven
                          (java
                                 building tool) and Docbook because I really
                   think it is
                          a nice
                                 toolchain (I guess most of you are not
        aware
                   of this
                          work). I
                                 don't know it the TC (if this is the next
                   meeting you are
                                 talking about) is the right place for that
                   but I can
                          make the
                                 presentation short (or schedule it another
                   date).
                                 However it depends when is the meeting in
                   order to
                          gather all
                                 the informationI need.

                                 Regards,
                                 Cédric,

                                 On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Scott
        Hudson
                                 <scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>
                   <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>
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        <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>
                   <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com
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        <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>
                   <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:scott.hudson@flatironssolutions.com>>>>>> wrote:

                                    Cédric,

                                    thank you so much for your comments.
        I'll
                   bring this
                                 information
                                    up at our next meeting. Perhaps you
        would
                   also be
                          interested in
                                    joining the meeting to provide
        additional
                   comments?
                          Let me know
                                    and I'll send meeting info.

                                    As for the similarity of the models, we
                   wanted to enable
                                 semantic
                                    distinction in the elements, but provide
                   a common
                          framework for
                                    how lines would be marked up. Additional
                   elements
                          could be
                                 added
                                    as you have indicated, but we did not
                   want to add so
                          many
                                 specific
                                    elements to be too restrictive.This is
                   why the
                          db.all.blocks
                                    pattern is also allowed between
        lines and
                   linegroups.

                                    Thanks and best regards,

                                    --Scott

                                    Scott Hudson        Senior XML Architect

                                    +1 (303) 542-2146  |  Office
                                    +1 (303) 332-1883  |  Cell
                                    Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com
        <mailto:Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com>
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        ==========================================
                                    Flatirons Solutions
                                    http://www.flatironssolutions.com



                                    Mimil Mimil wrote:

                                        Hello,

                                        I did some research and I found
                   interesting
                          document about
                                        screenplays (a dialogue base
                   interaction too)
                          and they
                                 use the
                                        following additional informations:

                                        - scene numbering
                                        - scene slugs: information about the
                   action location
                                 (setting,
                                        location, time of the day)
                                        - scene breaks: information
        about the
                   action rhythm
                                        - scene description: information
                   about the action
                                 environment
                                        - dialogue: vocal direction, emotion

                                        Everything is explained at
                                                             
        http://www.mediachops.com/producer_chops/1_Production_Cycle/PDFs/screenplay_formatting.pdf

                                        Maybe something to take into account
                   for the
                          publisher
                                 spec?

                                        Regards,
                                        Cédric,

                                        On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 8:18 AM,
        Dave
                   Pawson
                                        <davep@dpawson.co.uk
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                                           On 07/20/2009 10:18 PM, Mimil
                   Mimil wrote:

                                               Hello,

                                               I just have a little comment
                   on  8.Publishing
                                 Subcommittee
                                               report ...  Scott suggests
                   everyone read
                          it and
                                 provide
                                        comments.

                                               With an external view (no
                   knowledge of
                          publishing) I
                                        wondered
                                               what is the real
        motivation to
                   have 3
                          distinct
                                 elements
                                               (dialogue, drama, poetry)
                   because they
                          seem to
                                 have the
                                        same
                                               goal "speeches" and also have
                   the same xml
                                 definition
                                        in the
                                               spec
                                                                       
         
         (http://docs.oasis-open.org/docbook/specs/publishers-1.0-spec-cd-01.pdf)
                                               If the definition is the
        same,
                   isn't the role
                                 attribute
                                               sufficient within a single
                   dialogue element?
                                               Or is it a choice made to
                   simplify the
                                 stylesheet work as
                                               these elements really need a
                   different
                          printing
                                 layout?

                                               Best regards,
                                               Cédric,


                                           With some (not a lot) of
        experience in
                          marking up both
                                        poetry and
                                           drama, I can state
                                           that they are quite different in
                   some ways,
                                 particularly if
                                           certain aspects of the visual
                                           presentation of the source is
                   required to be
                          captured.




                                           regards

                                           --    Dave Pawson
                                           XSLT XSL-FO FAQ.
                                           http://www.dpawson.co.uk





                     

               



-- 

Scott Hudson
Senior XML Architect
+1 (303) 542-2146  |  Office
+1 (720) 663-7268  |  Gvoice
Scott.Hudson@flatironssolutions.com
http://www.flatironssolutions.com





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