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Subject: RE: [dss] DSS-TC 22 March 2004 meeting minutes


Revised version of the 2004.03.22 meeting minutes attached: 
- corrections in attendee list.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dimitri Andivahis [mailto:dimitri@surety.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 6:08 PM
> To: dss@lists.oasis-open.org
> Cc: Dimitri Andivahis
> Subject: [dss] DSS-TC 22 March 2004 meeting minutes
> 
> 
> Minutes for DSS phone conference
> Date:  Monday, 22 March 2004
> Time:  12:00pm - 01:00pm Eastern Time
> 
Minutes for DSS phone conference
Date:  Monday, 22 March 2004
Time:  12:00pm - 01:00pm Eastern Time

Attendees:

Voting members:

Paul Madsen, Entrust
John Ross, Individual
Pieter Kasselman, Betrusted
Dimitri Andivahis, Surety
John Messing, American Bar Association
Andreas Kuehne, Individual
Ed Shallow, Universal Postal Union
Trevor Perrin, Individual
David Finkelstein, RSA Security
Frederick Hirsch, Nokia Mobile Phones
Krishna Yellepeddy, IBM
Nick Pope, Individual
Juan Carlos Cruellas, Individual

Observers:

Catherine Li, Wells Fargo

Agenda:
1 Welcome by chair (Juan Carlos Cruellas)

2. Confirm Minutes Secretary (Dimitri Andivahis)
Confirmed.

3. Roll Call.
Conducted by Juan Carlos.
Quorum achieved (13 voting members).

4. Approval of Agenda
Approved, no discussion.

5. Approval of Minutes of DSS TC conference call of 08 March 2004
Approved, no discussion.

6. Review of outstanding actions

* 04-02-23-3 - XAdES. Juan Carlos, Nick, Ed to discuss feasibility of protocol that 
supports both ASN.1 and XML and report at next meeting. 

Done. Email messages have been sent to the list; an abstract profile 
will be provided soon.

* 04-02-23-4 - on all. See how Policy wise server profile fits in with other profiles. 

Open.  Paul believes that the Web Services Security profile would be 
a good fit with the Policy wise server abstract profile.  Nick thought 
that a resolution should be reached soon, rather than keeping this as 
an ongoing open item.  Paul proposed that he take owenrship of the item.

ACTION 04-02-23-4(bis) - Paul to propose how Policy wise server profile fits in with other profiles.
 
* 04-03-08-1: Trevor to add text for binding taken from WSS.

Done. Trevor explained that providing a binding based on WSS is 
a non-trivial task (see http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/dss/200403/msg00068.html). 
Nick proposed to put it on the back-burner and proclaim it done.

* 04-03-08-2: Trevor to add identifiers for alternative time-stamping
profiles.

Done.  Trevor added text that explains how to use the SignatureType
optional input to support requests fortimestamps generated according 
to specific time-stamping profiles.

* 04-03-08-3: Nick to start email discussion on Statement of Intent vs CommitmentType for Entity Seal profile.

Done.  The feedback from the email disussion was that the 
CommitmentType is sufficient.

* 04-03-08-4: Chairs to contact John Messing for update on Notarial profile at next meeting.

Done.

7. Core and Time-stamp profile. 
7.1 Outstanding issues 

(Nick's comment of 18/3/2004).
Trevor incorporated Nick's proposal for using SAML::NameIdentifierType.

(Trevor's comments http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/dss/200403/msg00068.html).
Frederick and Ed expressed preference for URLs for the schema namespace URI,
since they can also be used for downloading the schema.

ACTION 04-03-22-1: Frederick to contact Karl Best for appropriate URL prefix for the DSS TC.

Introducing binding from WSS: covered in action item review (Item 6, * 04-03-08-1).

There is ongoing email discussion regarding support for External Policy 
Authority policy statement in requests.  Ed asked for more 
clarity on the usage of the term "policy" in this and other contexts.

The feedback from the email discussion regarding the presence of 
RequestID was to keep it.

(Trevor's comment http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/dss/200403/msg00056.html).
Some participants thought that including support for asynchronous request in 
the core might require a major update and would delay issuance of a committe draft.

7.2 Approval of both documents as Committee Drafts.
References:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dss/download.php/5815/oasis-dss-1.0-core-spec-wd-15.doc
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dss/download.php/5912/oasis-dss-1.0-profiles-timestamping-spec-wd-06.doc

Nick believes the documents should proceed to Committee Draft status
as this would indicate to people outside the TC that the documents 
are stable enough.  Changes to the documents could still be incorporated 
in subsequent Committee Draft versions.  A possible added benefit 
is feedback from implementors. 

Frederick supported resolving the outstanding issues before 
proceeding to CD approval.

Trevor supported resolving the two outstanding isssues of 
External Policy Authority policy and asynchronous requests first.

Krishna proposed waiting until the documents remain unchanged 
for two successive meetings.

Ed thought that other issues affecting the core document may arise 
in the discussion of the XAdES profile.  He also thought that work 
on profiles helped validate the core document, but was not certain 
that core and profiles have been fully delineated.

John Messing thought that promoting the documents to CD status 
would be good for momentum.

The issue was tabled for the next meeting, with the hope that 
the ongoing email discussion on the topics of contention will 
bring the TC closer to a resolution.

8. Discussion on profiles. Report on the status of the work for each of the profiles.
- Code-signing 
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dss/download.php/5967/oasis-dss-1.0-profiles-codesigning-spec-wd-01.doc

Pieter reported on the proposal for supporting asynchronous behavior, 
and the ongoing discussion as to where it would go (profile/core).

- Entity seal
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dss/download.php/5924/oasis-dss-1.0-profiles-eseal-spec-wd-02.doc

Nick reported that a second version of the schema was issued with some 
outstanding issues (additional text requested inline in the document).

- Policy wise server
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dss/download.php/5508/oasis-dss-1.0-pws-profile-spec-wd-01.doc
No discussion.

- XAdES 
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dss/download.php/5810/oasis-dss-1%5B1%5D.0-profiles-XAdES-spec-wd-01.doc
Juan Carlos reported that an abstract profile will be provided within a few days.

- German Signature Law
<http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dss/download.php/6023/oasis-dss-1.0-pws-German Signature Law-spec-wd-01.doc>
Andreas reported on the work in progress; a schema will be provided within a week.

- EPM 
Ed expects to have a proposal ready by the end of the month, taking into account the 
discussion on the XAdES profile.

- Wsecurity
No discussion.
 
- Judicial signing
INAUDIBLE.

- Notarial
John reported that the legalXML eNotarization TC is still in the early stages 
of determining requirements and considering use cases.

9 Work plan. 
9.1 Plans for the rest of the profiles.
Skipped, no discussion.

9.2 Discussion on implementation plans.
Skipped, no discussion.

10. Organizing documents in the TC webserver.
It was proposed that website documents be organized in two folders,
one folder for the core documents, and one folder for profiles, 
and that the documents for each profile be placed in 
a separate subfolder of the profiles folder.
However, it is not clear if the website administration tools 
support creating subfolders within a folder.  If subfolders 
are not a possibiliy, each profile would have its own folder 
next to the core folder.

ACTION 04-03-22-2: Chairs to investigate TC website capabilities 
for grouping core and profile documents.  

11. Any other business 
No discussion.

12. Confirm next conference call: 5th April 04 
Confirmed.

Close 


Submitted by:  
Dimitri Andivahis, Surety
dimitri@surety.com


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