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Subject: Re: [ebxml-bp] IBM to Support BPEL-Based Web Services
David: Let's not be negative on this. We will likely be seeing more direction in IBM and other companies tooling expanding from driving infrastructure toward a broader view of the technical/developer's need. IBM is increasingly providing a comprehensive set of both development time tooling for developers and an open-standards based runtime expanding beyond a traditional application server on all platforms. Their recent foray into the process area of the stack is admirable IMO. A process driven, service oriented architecture (re Joseph Chuisano's post) is being developed and converging or embracing other ideas benefits everybody. I happen to have friends who can rebuke your claims that it is marketing fluff and would back up the fact it is real useable software. The real proof will be in the delivered developer tools. I was interested in opinions. I have noted that you believe it is vaporware. Does anyone else care to comment? Duane David RR Webber wrote: >Duane, > >Still un-news - of course they are providing a home-spun mix >of Rational-Rose UML and using that to generate BPEL >and talking up process integration. > >And MQ-Series itself has a chunk of GUI configuration stuff >that is required by human direction - not to mention inputs >from FAX, IVR or similar servers. > >My experience with these news puffs is - what you are >reading into this is nothing like what the sales guy who >wrote the puff is thinking - even though he uses words >you think are cues to stuff that relates to your work - they >are not. > >I bet if you called a local IBM sales office and asked them >they'd tell you - yeah that human stuff is our IVR server >interface - or similar. > >Cheers, DW. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com> >To: "David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info> >Cc: "ebXML BP" <ebxml-bp@lists.oasis-open.org> >Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 3:13 PM >Subject: Re: [ebxml-bp] IBM to Support BPEL-Based Web Services > > > > >>I found it most interesting. The ability to incorporate "human or >>manual" processes in the midst of a automated exchange, the runtime >>monitoring and execution debugging, bringing Web services and BPEL >>execution to its iSeries and zSeries servers, the fact that IBM is >>moving its' entire WebSphere product line to a more process centric >>methodology all interested me. >> >>Ignore it if you want but the rest of this group might possibly consider >>what the ramifications are to BPSS etc and at a larger level to ebXML. >> I have my own story but am interested to know what others see. >> >>Duane >> >>David RR Webber wrote: >> >> >> >>>Duane, >>> >>>This just seems like a product pitch for IBM - and an un-news item as >>>clearly they wrote the darn spec' why wouldn't they have it implemented? >>> >>>Was there a specific "interest" item here? I did not see anything. >>> >>>DW. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com> >>>Cc: "ebXML BP" <ebxml-bp@lists.oasis-open.org> >>>Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 2:31 PM >>>Subject: [ebxml-bp] IBM to Support BPEL-Based Web Services >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Interesting read.... >>>> >>>>IBM to Support BPEL-Based Web Services on iSeries in Q3 [good clear >>>>article on some of the latest IBM websphere announcements] >>>> >>>>BM's Software Group is bringing Web services and Business Process >>>>Execution Language (BPEL) execution to its iSeries and zSeries >>>>servers. IBM committed to deploying WBISF 5.1 on z/OS during the >>>>second quarter of the year, and on OS/400 during the third quarter. >>>>The product is already supported on Linux running on those two server >>>>platforms. >>>> >>>>http://www.midrangeserver.com/fhs/fhs041304-story03.html >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Senior Standards Strategist >>>>Adobe Systems, Inc. >>>>http://www.adobe.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>-- >>Senior Standards Strategist >>Adobe Systems, Inc. >>http://www.adobe.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- Senior Standards Strategist Adobe Systems, Inc. http://www.adobe.com
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