Re: [ebxml-bp] IBM to Support BPEL-Based Web Services

["David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>]

Duane,

I never said it was vaporware!

I just was stating there is nothing *interesting* here.

IBM has always looked to be middle of the road -
and rarely reaches to be wildly ahead of the curve.

Paying $2B for Rational was a huge gamble for them,
and MQ-Series can hardly be viewed as a
revolutionary product set - its been around for
15+ years - and is the benchmark in conservative
integration tools.

Why would I think this interesting, eh?

I know alot of those same ex-r's now working
on the Eclipse team too.  ; -)

What I find interesting is technologies that
provide an open simple and agile infrastructure
that enables a broad and diverse marketplace.

MQ-series is an ocean liner - I'm looking for
something a little more nimble... ; -)

DW.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com>
To: "David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>
Cc: "ebXML BP" <ebxml-bp@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [ebxml-bp] IBM to Support BPEL-Based Web Services


> David:
>
> Let's not be negative on this.  We will likely be seeing more direction
> in IBM and other companies tooling expanding from driving infrastructure
> toward a broader view of the technical/developer's need. IBM is
> increasingly providing a comprehensive set of both development time
> tooling for developers and an open-standards based runtime expanding
> beyond a traditional application server on all platforms. Their recent
> foray into the process area of the stack is admirable IMO.  A process
> driven, service oriented architecture (re Joseph Chuisano's post) is
> being developed and converging or embracing other ideas benefits
> everybody.  I happen to have friends who can rebuke your claims that it
> is marketing fluff and would back up the fact it is real useable
> software.  The real proof will be in the delivered developer tools.
>
> I was interested in opinions.  I have noted that you believe it is
> vaporware.  Does anyone else care to comment?
>
> Duane
>
> David RR Webber wrote:
>
> >Duane,
> >
> >Still un-news - of course they are providing a home-spun mix
> >of Rational-Rose UML and using that to generate BPEL
> >and talking up process integration.
> >
> >And MQ-Series itself has a chunk of GUI configuration stuff
> >that is required by human direction - not to mention inputs
> >from FAX, IVR or similar servers.
> >
> >My experience with these news puffs is - what you are
> >reading into this is nothing like what the sales guy who
> >wrote the puff is thinking - even though he uses words
> >you think are cues to stuff that relates to your work - they
> >are not.
> >
> >I bet if you called a local IBM sales office and asked them
> >they'd tell you - yeah that human stuff is our IVR server
> >interface - or similar.
> >
> >Cheers, DW.
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com>
> >To: "David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>
> >Cc: "ebXML BP" <ebxml-bp@lists.oasis-open.org>
> >Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 3:13 PM
> >Subject: Re: [ebxml-bp] IBM to Support BPEL-Based Web Services
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>I found it most interesting.  The ability to incorporate "human or
> >>manual" processes in the midst of a automated exchange, the runtime
> >>monitoring and execution debugging, bringing Web services and BPEL
> >>execution to its iSeries and zSeries servers, the fact that IBM is
> >>moving its' entire WebSphere product line to a more process centric
> >>methodology all interested me.
> >>
> >>Ignore it if you want but the rest of this group might possibly consider
> >>what the ramifications are to BPSS etc and at a larger level to ebXML.
> >> I have my own story but am interested to know what others see.
> >>
> >>Duane
> >>
> >>David RR Webber wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Duane,
> >>>
> >>>This just seems like a product pitch for IBM - and an un-news item as
> >>>clearly they wrote the darn spec' why wouldn't they have it
implemented?
> >>>
> >>>Was there a specific "interest" item here?  I did not see anything.
> >>>
> >>>DW.
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>From: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com>
> >>>Cc: "ebXML BP" <ebxml-bp@lists.oasis-open.org>
> >>>Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 2:31 PM
> >>>Subject: [ebxml-bp] IBM to Support BPEL-Based Web Services
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Interesting read....
> >>>>
> >>>>IBM to Support BPEL-Based Web Services on iSeries in Q3 [good clear
> >>>>article on some of the latest IBM websphere announcements]
> >>>>
> >>>>BM's Software Group is bringing Web services and Business Process
> >>>>Execution Language (BPEL) execution to its iSeries and zSeries
> >>>>servers. IBM committed to deploying WBISF 5.1 on z/OS during the
> >>>>second quarter of the year, and on OS/400 during the third quarter.
> >>>>The product is already supported on Linux running on those two server
> >>>>platforms.
> >>>>
> >>>>http://www.midrangeserver.com/fhs/fhs041304-story03.html
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>-- 
> >>>>Senior Standards Strategist
> >>>>Adobe Systems, Inc.
> >>>>http://www.adobe.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>-- 
> >>Senior Standards Strategist
> >>Adobe Systems, Inc.
> >>http://www.adobe.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> -- 
> Senior Standards Strategist
> Adobe Systems, Inc.
> http://www.adobe.com
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