Re: [ebxml-bp] [ebBP] 7/21/2004: Guiding Principles - BPMN and BPSS

[David RR Webber <david@drrw.info>]

Tony,

I thought that was BPMI?!?  The BPMN is supposed to be the visualization 
for that?

Anyway - we can certainly use it to generate BPSS - and that is what I'm 
looking at - how
to harmonize the BPSS diagrams I've been creating so far - that are 
loosely based on UML
activity diagrams with BPMI - so that people used to creating BPMN can 
seamlessly
cross over to using BPSS....

Cheers. DW

Tony Fletcher wrote:

>Dear David,
>
>Sorry, I am about a month behind with email and still desperately trying to
>catch up.  I suspect you have already discovered the gotcha with the
>approach you suggest below:  BPMN does not have a (standardised anyway) XML
>representation.  A task for someone perhaps?
>
>Best Regards     Tony
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: David RR Webber [mailto:david@drrw.info] 
>Sent: 13 August 2004 18:03
>To: Monica J. Martin
>Cc: Tony Fletcher; 'ebXML BP'
>Subject: Re: [ebxml-bp] [ebBP] 7/21/2004: Guiding Principles - BPMN and BPSS
>
>
>Tony,
>
>One possible way to approach this - since we're really talking about
>discerning a common subset of functionality - is to use one or more of the
>current BPSS models that I have built - and attempt to create the equivalent
>in BPMN - but
>*NOT* as a BPMN model (pictures) - but as the underlying XML instead.
>
>If we can crack that - I can update the BPSS model so that it will
>automatically emit the equivalent BPMN XML syntax directly.  That then of
>course could be read back into a BPMN editor - or application that runs
>BPMN.
>
>This would give you "instant" equivalence - and we could document that
>accordingly as a Technical Note - including guides to users on the walls and
>edges to be aware of when using BPSS in this fashion.
>
>Thanks, DW.
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>Quoting "Monica J. Martin" <Monica.Martin@Sun.COM>:
>
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>>Tony Fletcher wrote:
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>>>Dear Monica and others,
>>>
>>>With respect to a possible relationship between BPSS and BPMN, which 
>>>way around do you think that might be?  I am not sure it would be 
>>>wise to try
>>>      
>>>
>>to
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>>>extend BPSS to cover everything that BPMN can.  However, I would 
>>>support
>>>      
>>>
>>the
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>>>idea of a 'profile' of BPMN that restricted the user of BPMN to 
>>>process diagrams that easily translate into a BPSS description.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>mm1: Actually there would be constructs in ebBP that are not currently
>>understood/held in BPMN. I think, although I cannot speak for JJ, that 
>>he is considering the latter. Thanks.
>>
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