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Subject: Re: [ebxml-bp] RE: [ebxml-dev] BPSS execution engine


Steve,

I'm happy to work with anyone who wants to use the
VisualScript modelling toolset to build BPSS instance
models.

Also - the jBPM engine is a high candidate for implementing
actually execution environment in tandem with a ebMS
transport.  There has been some work started in that
direction.  Again - I'm sure someone wanting to
investigate this can do so with the jBPM folks.

DW

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "steve capell" <steve.capell@redwahoo.com>
To: "'Monica J Martin'" <Monica.Martin@Sun.COM>; "'Gerald Ebner'"
<gebner@ihg.net>
Cc: <ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org>; "'ebXML BP'"
<ebxml-bp@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 6:14 PM
Subject: [ebxml-bp] RE: [ebxml-dev] BPSS execution engine


> I'd say that you "COULD" use an abstract BPEL to describe the observable
> behaviour of one side of the B2B collaboration and then use that BPEL as a
> "stub" for the development of the internal orchestration.  However I think
> you'd be much better to separate the issue of public collaboration state
> management from internal orchestration.  That means using a state machine
> (write your own or customise one) to manage BSI activities and then having
a
> loose coupling to the BPEL engine that deals with internal orchestrations.
>
> We are involved with an Australian government project that will take both
> approaches.  The stub BPEL approach lends itself to existing vendor
products
> for the short term.  The second approach will be more likely to be more
> scalable and manageable in the longer term.
>
> Regards,
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Monica J Martin [mailto:Monica.Martin@Sun.COM]
> Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2005 1:15 AM
> To: Gerald Ebner
> Cc: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org; ebXML BP
> Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] BPSS execution engine
>
> Gerald Ebner wrote:
>
> > Dear ebXML Dev,
> >
> > first of all: I'm an ebXML newcomer, actualy going through the specs and
> > forums, and thinking about an architecture for the B2B system to be
> > built.
> > My question: I found promising (reference) implementation of the ebXML
> > registry and messaging services, but nothing that covers the concept of
> > - "business process/BPSS execution engine"
> > - "choreography engine"
> > - "ebXML execution framework"
> > i.e.a  run-time execution instance enforcing the BPSS business
> > collaboration protocol (I just found /ebSOA, /but that sounds like a
> > future approach).
> >
> > How would one typically implement the choreography?
> > - Hand code the BPSS engine?
> > - Transform the BPSS to BPEL?  How?
>
> mm1: First (politely), they would reference the latest specifications.
> We're almost ready to publish the v2.0.1 for Public Review for OASIS
> Committee Draft consideration.  ebBP (aka BPSS) is most suited for a
> monitoring engine that could understands the expectations, quality of
> service, choreography, constraints, logicsl business documents,
> activities, etc. described in the ebBP process definition.  Since the
> v2.0 and now v2.0.1 are very new, we're starting to see development of
> ebBP conformant process definitions. We know of several user communities
> and vendors that may implement these specifications and associated
> schemas (similar to other new technologies). It has been discussed that
> there could be a transformation of one party's view (and 1 or more BSI)
> into WS-BPEL (1 or more abstract processes and then executable).
> However, there is an important difference. ebBP and collaboration are
> peer-to-peer. WS-BPEL concentrates on centralized control
> (orchestration). Therefore, it, hypothetically speaking, could serve to
> help manage other enterprise application processes that support
> Business Collaborations. We've recognized that several implementation
> options exist and we don't dictate which option is selected (For
> example, how tightly or loosely coupled the enterprise or collaborative
> processes are, or even if they are related).  Feel free to shoot
> questions to ebxml-dev, Dale Moberg, and myself. We'd be happy to try to
> answer your questions further. What is your interest? Thanks.
>
> ebBP v2.0.1:
>
> For r04:
> Spec:
>
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=13234&wg_abbre
> v=ebxml-bp
> Schema:
>
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=13235&wg_abbre
> v=ebxml-bp
> SignalSchema:
>
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=13236&wg_abbre
> v=ebxml-bp
> SchemaDocumentation:
>
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=13237&wg_abbre
> v=ebxml-bp
> SignalSchemaDocumentation:
>
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=13238&wg_abbre
> v=ebxml-bp
> SupplementsDocumentation:
>
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=13239&wg_abbre
> v=ebxml-bp
>
> Note there are 6 packages.
>
> Minute
>
>
> >
> > thanks in advance
> > Gerald Ebner
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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