Re: [egov-ws] ebXML and Web Services

["Monica J. Martin" <monica.martin@sun.com>]

I concur, Jon.

Jon Bosak wrote:

> I regret that my attendance at the UN/CEFACT Forum this week
> prevented my participation in the eGov meeting in Washington.  I
> also regret that the scheduling of Tuesday's phone conference for
> 6 a.m. in California will also prevent my participation in that as
> well.  (Side note: The only time that works consistently for phone
> calls that include participants in the U.S. and Europe is 16h00
> GMT.  If we have participants from APAC then of course there is no
> good time.)
>
> It remains to be seen whether I can arrange my schedule to
> participate in this group, but assuming for a moment that I can,
> I'd like to register my agreement with the direction suggested by
> Graham Beaver.  I think that the validation of ebXML in specific
> government scenarios is probably the most productive single thing
> that this group can do in the short term.
>
> Jon
>
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>
> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:08:06 +0000
> From: "Beaver, Graham" <Graham.Beaver@hp.com>
>
> David et al,
>
> I am sorry that I was not able to attend the ebXML / Web Services
> sub-committee meeting yesterday due to other commitments and the
> time difference between the UK and Washington, although I found
> the initial main committee meeting very enlightening and
> informative with every-ones views and previous experience.
>
> From my involvement with a number of Governments (National and
> Regional) within Europe who are wishing to initiate e-Government
> Programs (mainly in the accession states to the European Union and
> for migration from Partnership for Peace to full Nato membership)
> one of the biggest obstacles is that of the base standard and
> protocols, and this is what they are looking to industry and
> international bodies to set.
>
> Most countries have already started to develop a e-Government
> Vision and this includes the organisational structures and
> processes to be followed, and even once international leading
> practice for these structures and processes is defined the
> existing Government Organisations will make it difficult to
> retro-fit this to what has already been started within countries.
>
> The biggest short-term help to these countries that the OASIS
> e-Government TC can give is guidance on the standards / protocols
> to be used, and as there seems to be a push towards ebXML (from
> within the EU IDA) and NATO (C3 Technical Architecture), a good
> first step would be to validate the use of ebXML within
> Government, and produce a number of worked scenarios.
>
>    With the use of scenarios, such as:
>    *    Business to Government submission.
>    *    Portal to Government submission on behalf of a citizen
>    *    Portal to Government submission on behalf of a business
>    *    Department to Department submission
>    *    Government to Government submission
>
> we could show the ebXML document structures (envelope rather than
> exact payload), and also identify the areas where the ebXML model
> does not quite work and may need the inclusion of a small number
> of additional elements (may be egXML could recognised industry
> instance of ebXML).  The types of issues I would expect to find
> within Government are the use of certified time stamps within a
> message, how are Departmental, Governmental and Citizen Centric
> Services delivered by ebXML Messaging due to message splitting,
> and multiple-hop messaging (only examples and not an extensive
> list).  The definition could start with a base CPP for use within
> Governments and links into the OASIS reliable messaging TC.
>
> Once this has been shown to work and 'egXML' becomes a standard
> vendors can implement the additional elements into their product
> set, we can achieve interoperability between Government
> Departments, Government Portals and International Governments, and
> this will be a large 'quick win' for the OASIS e-Government TC.
>
> Any views on this, or help on how we take this forward.
>
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