RE: [egov-ws] ebXML and Web Services

[Jouko Salonen <jouko.salonen@republica.fi>]

David, Jon
Because I am perhaps the "earliest" European participant of this group living in Helsinki/St. Petersburg timezone, I would like let all of you know, that because I can do all these conference calls from my home-office and because I am enterpreneur and do not work according to office hours, I am extremely flexible in this matter. Just let me know the time and I will be there.

-- Jouko 




-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Bosak [mailto:Jon.Bosak@sun.com]
Sent: 16. maaliskuuta 2003 2:11
To: egov-ws@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [egov-ws] ebXML and Web Services


I regret that my attendance at the UN/CEFACT Forum this week
prevented my participation in the eGov meeting in Washington.  I
also regret that the scheduling of Tuesday's phone conference for
6 a.m. in California will also prevent my participation in that as
well.  (Side note: The only time that works consistently for phone
calls that include participants in the U.S. and Europe is 16h00
GMT.  If we have participants from APAC then of course there is no
good time.)

It remains to be seen whether I can arrange my schedule to
participate in this group, but assuming for a moment that I can,
I'd like to register my agreement with the direction suggested by
Graham Beaver.  I think that the validation of ebXML in specific
government scenarios is probably the most productive single thing
that this group can do in the short term.

Jon

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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:08:06 +0000
From: "Beaver, Graham" <Graham.Beaver@hp.com>

David et al,

I am sorry that I was not able to attend the ebXML / Web Services
sub-committee meeting yesterday due to other commitments and the
time difference between the UK and Washington, although I found
the initial main committee meeting very enlightening and
informative with every-ones views and previous experience.

From my involvement with a number of Governments (National and
Regional) within Europe who are wishing to initiate e-Government
Programs (mainly in the accession states to the European Union and
for migration from Partnership for Peace to full Nato membership)
one of the biggest obstacles is that of the base standard and
protocols, and this is what they are looking to industry and
international bodies to set.

Most countries have already started to develop a e-Government
Vision and this includes the organisational structures and
processes to be followed, and even once international leading
practice for these structures and processes is defined the
existing Government Organisations will make it difficult to
retro-fit this to what has already been started within countries.

The biggest short-term help to these countries that the OASIS
e-Government TC can give is guidance on the standards / protocols
to be used, and as there seems to be a push towards ebXML (from
within the EU IDA) and NATO (C3 Technical Architecture), a good
first step would be to validate the use of ebXML within
Government, and produce a number of worked scenarios.

   With the use of scenarios, such as:
   *	Business to Government submission.
   *	Portal to Government submission on behalf of a citizen
   *	Portal to Government submission on behalf of a business
   *	Department to Department submission
   *	Government to Government submission

we could show the ebXML document structures (envelope rather than
exact payload), and also identify the areas where the ebXML model
does not quite work and may need the inclusion of a small number
of additional elements (may be egXML could recognised industry
instance of ebXML).  The types of issues I would expect to find
within Government are the use of certified time stamps within a
message, how are Departmental, Governmental and Citizen Centric
Services delivered by ebXML Messaging due to message splitting,
and multiple-hop messaging (only examples and not an extensive
list).  The definition could start with a base CPP for use within
Governments and links into the OASIS reliable messaging TC.

Once this has been shown to work and 'egXML' becomes a standard
vendors can implement the additional elements into their product
set, we can achieve interoperability between Government
Departments, Government Portals and International Governments, and
this will be a large 'quick win' for the OASIS e-Government TC.

Any views on this, or help on how we take this forward.

   Graham Beaver
   Solution Leader - e-Government Framework
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