RE: [egov] OASIS E-GOV TC : ebXML Messaging BALLOT RESULT

["Jouko Salonen" <jouko.salonen@republica.fi>]

Joe, Jon, John
Agnostics are sometimes usefull, I agree. But we also need qualified senior people who are able to carry the candle in windy places and who have the strength to guide even in difficult situations. The vote is therefore needed to give support for those who are strong enough to make things happen. It is our duty, therefore, to vote, even if we, according to our very nature as the "sapient", hesitate.

I agree with Jon.

-Jouko








-----Original Message-----
From: David RR Webber [mailto:david@drrw.info]
Sent: 12. helmikuuta 2004 18:45
To: Chiusano Joseph; John.Borras@e-Envoy.gsi.gov.uk
Cc: egov@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [egov] OASIS E-GOV TC : ebXML Messaging BALLOT RESULT


Joe,

Notice however that we already called for comments and review
of the document itself a while back - and also reviewed at the F2F.

However - I'm not giving you a hard time for just now looking
at the detail in the document - being asked to vote on it
does of course focus the mind ; -)

I won't speak for John on the overall rationale for the eGov TC
endorsing the document - but my sense is we are trying to
foster a continuing set of such work deliverables where
people can see that they have been thru a review process and
provide substantive informative analysis that they can draw from
for their own guidance and determination processes.

Nothing can claim to be 100% the right answer - all we can do
is determine if something meets our overall requirements for
being objective and rigorous and that it is broadly pertainent
to eGov and therefore something we should be providing
guidance on.

The question being answered in the case is
something along the lines of "What if I were to use ebMS for
eGov - what does that entail - and what are some answers?".

Thanks, DW.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
To: <John.Borras@e-Envoy.gsi.gov.uk>
Cc: <egov@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [egov] OASIS E-GOV TC : ebXML Messaging BALLOT RESULT


> John,
>
> I certainly understand your frustration. I suspect part of the issue
> with the ebXML Messaging document is that folks might not be clear on
> exactly what they are voting on (while acknowledging the description in
> the vote ballot) - the accuracy of the concepts, compliance with ebMS
> 2.0, etc. Also, what does having our TC's vote on this document (while
> recognizing the value of our TC) say? That we approved the concepts?
> That the members believe that ebMS should always be the first choice of
> a messaging protocol in any federal project?
>
> For example, I might have an issue with the following quote, particular
> the word "single":
>
> "The aim of the use of ebXML Messaging within Government is to provide a
> single open-standards based enveloping and messaging protocol technology
> that can be used for Service Delivery Requests and Response between all
> the architectural components which interact within e-Government Service
> Delivery.
>
> Does this imply that, if I vote to approve this document, I believe that
> (while acknowledging what an excellent standard ebMS 2.0 is) there
> should be no other possible choices? In my professional position, my
> duty is to remain vendor- and standards- agnostic, regardless of what
> standards I am involved with creating, and how I feel about certain
> standards.
>
> So I hope that given this information, you might be able to clarify
> further exactly what we're voting on, and the ramifications of that
> vote.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Joe
>
>
> John.Borras@e-Envoy.gsi.gov.uk wrote:
> >
> > It is with great regret that I have to tell you that  we did not reach
> > quorum on the recent ballot on Graham Beaver's document.  Only 15 out
> > of 41 members took the time to vote.   I won't name and shame those
> > who didn't vote.
> >
> > This I find deeply disappointing, firstly for Graham and the excellent
> > effort he put into the document, and secondly for the future of our
> > TC.   This was our first ballot and we fell at the first hurdle.  That
> > doesn't inspire confidence for our future work.   Hopefully this will
> > turn out to be just teething troubles and once we all get the hang of
> > voting then we'll be OK in future.   If not well.......
> >
> > I'm going to re-run this ballot and also put up a ballot on Eliot's
> > Interoperability Services paper.   Please take the time to vote this
> > time.
> >
> > John
>
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