Re: [egov] HUNGARIAN INITIATIVE

John, Ilona, et. al.
The document, although a bit sketchy, brings up a number of core issues that all governments must deal with.

The #1 question is who is responsible for keeping documents when we leave the "paper" world behind.

I may have interpreted the document wrong but it seems that each citizen have an ESZEF (electronic safe) account, associated with an electronic address. This is certainly not a bad idea although it will get "competition" from a distributed approach where each authority is responsible for long-time storage as well as on-line access to data associated with the citizen. The centralized approach raises a number of questions that I could not find answers to such as:

- Who can send to the ESZEF?

- Why would you send from ESZEF? To whom?

- If e-mail is used, how is confidentiality achived? Although encrypted mail is theoretically simple, it has proven to be hard. Therefore few e-goverments seem to rely on e-mail for sensitive messages.

- Who can delete from the ESZEF?

The ESZEF model is document centered, while a distributed system can be any mix between task-centered or document-centered. Although task steps can be expressed as documents, this is sometimes a bit clumsy. Assume you want to get an appointment with a doctor and that cannot be given immediately. The steps could be:

1. Logon to hospital site

2. Request an appointment

3. You get a reply that you will get a notification by e-mail or SMS

4. You get a notification and click on the link that gets you to the hospital site.

5. You are required to login

6. Your appointment suggestion is shown.

7. You sign to confirm that you indeed will come

You can always go back to the hospital to see your act (the hospital is then assumed to be able to keep their data in shape).

The drawback is that information is scattered over many sites. But will an ESZEF make this any easier?

Maybe the ESZEF could rather be used for keeping e-government notifications and non-critical messages

but without spam and personal messages as nobody but authenticated e-government organizations (servers rather than individuals) using signed mail would be able to add a message?

So yes, I do see a need or use for ESZEF but not as document archive but as a "dedicated and safe receive-only mail-box".

Consultant PKI and e-business

PS Regarding the smart card I have too many questions for this list DS

----- Original Message -----
From: John.Borras@e-Envoy.gsi.gov.uk
To: egov@lists.oasis-open.org
Cc: ilonakakuk@axelero.hu
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 08:49
Subject: [egov] HUNGARIAN INITIATIVE

Colleagues

Please see the attached project outline from a contact in Hungary. I would welcome any observations you may have on this initiative
and also views on whether we should add it to our TC project list.

John

----- Forwarded by John Borras/e-Envoy/CabinetOffice on 03/05/2004 10:55 -----

"Kakuk Ilona" <ilonakakuk@axelero.hu>
25/03/2004 12:25
To"John Borras" <john.borras@e-envoy.gsi.gov.uk>
cc"Andrew Pinder" <andrew.pinder@e-envoy.gsi.gov.uk>
Subject

Dear Mr Andrew Pinder and Mr John Borras!

We met you Mr Pinder, in Hungary last week. I gave you a short description about our hungarian logical egovernment model concept, we
called it "Documents Works" based on the "eSzéf" (Electronic safe) technology.
This model solve number of questions of the todays probelms, models of egovernment public services and create an egovernment
service layer between the government and citizens, business entities, providing private security for the personal datas and
transactions, and a hierarchical private autenthication system, wich satisfy's even the strongest law-requirements in EU states.
I hope, you could overview the description.
We offer you to collaborate in this project, and make a common EU project based on your results and on our concept.
If you need further informations, please feel free to contact me.

Furthermore, my company is the project manager for project called here "KEIR", wich is a project for standartisation of governmental
records handling and management. Please give me some information if you run similar projects or have results in that field.

With thanks,
Ilona
Mrs Ilona Kakuk
general manager
LogiSter Ltd
+36-20-444 3980
ilonakakuk@axelero.hu
www.logister.hu
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