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Subject: Re: [egov] ebXML, Hutchinson Holdings, Terror ThreatsandContainer Shipment Tracking


Joe,

Thanks for the clarification. It will be interesting to see what the FEA does outlines for the DRM. 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:32:42 -0400
To: phogan@sinotechnologies.com
Subject: Re: [egov] ebXML, Hutchinson Holdings, Terror ThreatsandContainer Shipment Tracking

> Patrick,
> 
> Thanks so much for the clarification. Your mention of a "key data
> reference model" below caused me to wonder if you were talking about the
> FEA DRM (whose release is imminent, according to public reports over the
> past several weeks). I now see that you were speaking of the TRM. 
> 
> I would like to very respectfully clarify your original statement, given
> this additional information. Your statement was:
> 
> <Quote>
> The CIO Council is using OASIS ebXML as a key data reference model for
> its Federal Enterprise Architecture (FEA). The 28 federal departments,
> including Homeland Security and Justice, must adhere to the FEA.
> </Quote>
> 
> I would respectfully say that your characterization of ebXML being used
> as a "key data reference model", or "key" in any respect with regard to
> the TRM is much too strong. ebXML is simply provided within the TRM as
> an example of a standard that can be placed under the "Data Exchange"
> category of the TRM taxonomy. It is not identified in any way as "key", 
> or critical, or important (not to say that it's not an important
> standard) - it is simply provided as a reference. 
> 
> I just wanted to make sure that someone reading the original e-mail of
> this thread did not misunderstand the representation of ebXML within the
> publicly available reference models of the FEA.
> 
> Respectfully,
> Joe Chiusano
> Booz Allen Hamilton
> Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World
> 
> phogan@sinotechnologies.com wrote:
> > 
> > Joe,
> > 
> > Here is the link t the FEA Technical Reference Model (TRM) with ebXML:
> > http://www.feapmo.gov/featrm_service_specification.asp?@serviceareaid=114639&@servicecategoryid=114653&@servicestandardid=114654
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
> > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:30:39 -0400
> > To: phogan@sinotechnologies.com
> > Subject: Re: [egov] ebXML, Hutchinson Holdings, Terror Threats andContainer Shipment Tracking
> > 
> > > Hi Patrick,
> > >
> > > Could you perhaps elaborate on your reference below regarding ebXML and
> > > the FEA Data Reference Model? I wasn't sure how to interpret your
> > > description.
> > >
> > > Kind Regards,
> > > Joe Chiusano
> > > Booz Allen Hamilton
> > > Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World
> > >
> > > phogan@sinotechnologies.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > John,
> > > >
> > > > The CIO Council is using OASIS ebXML as a key data reference model for its Federal Enterprise Architecture (FEA). The 28 federal departments, including Homeland Security and Justice, must adhere to the FEA.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Evdemon" <jevdemon@microsoft.com>
> > > > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:54:58 -0700
> > > > To: "David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>,"Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com>
> > > > Subject: RE: [egov] ebXML, Hutchinson Holdings, Terror Threats and Container Shipment Tracking
> > > >
> > > > > There are similar RFID initiatives already underway.
> > > > >
> > > > > What does ebXML add here?
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: David RR Webber [mailto:david@drrw.info]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 5:39 AM
> > > > > > To: Duane Nickull
> > > > > > Cc: eGov OASIS; phogan@sinotechnologies.com; A.J. (Tony) Blazej
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [egov] ebXML, Hutchinson Holdings, Terror
> > > > > > Threats and Container Shipment Tracking
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Duane,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Turns out the WCO folks are harmonizing the Customs Handling
> > > > > > form data.
> > > > > > That's not enough level of detail into the container history itself.
> > > > > > The old EDI US Customs 309 manifest and its UN equivalent
> > > > > > shows overall
> > > > > > manifest and packing of containers in vessel, but not history
> > > > > > of containers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Brainstorming this - seems like we need a lightweight system -
> > > > > > preferably thru hand held devices that can scan container
> > > > > > info' - and then
> > > > > > input logistics tracking details - and WIFI that to an ebXML server.
> > > > > > Making it hand-held means truck drivers can use them
> > > > > > cab-side - and then the terminal can upload the information and
> > > > > > consolidate the shipment history accordingly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DW
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Duane Nickull wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > David et al:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > World Customs Organization are the people to pitch this to
> > > > > > I believe.
> > > > > > > They are a UN org.  They have something called the Secure container
> > > > > > > initiative or something like that they are working on.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Duane
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > David RR Webber wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> I just saw the peice on 60 Minutes tonight - where the CEO of
> > > > > > >> Hutchinson, who had
> > > > > > >> 44% of container traffic worldwide - is desperately looking for
> > > > > > >> support from
> > > > > > >> governments to help turn around the current vulnerability
> > > > > > situation.
> > > > > > >> Having been
> > > > > > >> ignored here in the USA.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Patrick Hogan
> > > > Sino Technologies Corp.
> > > > (408)569-0973
> > > > http://www.sinotechnologies.com
> > > >
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> > >
> > > --
> > > Kind Regards,
> > > Joseph Chiusano
> > > Associate
> > > Booz Allen Hamilton
> > >
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> > >
> > 
> > Patrick Hogan
> > Sino Technologies Corp.
> > (408)569-0973
> > http://www.sinotechnologies.com
> > 
> > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster of the OASIS TC), go to http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/egov/members/leave_workgroup.php.
> 
> -- 
> Kind Regards,
> Joseph Chiusano
> Associate
> Booz Allen Hamilton



Patrick Hogan
Sino Technologies Corp.
(408)569-0973
http://www.sinotechnologies.com



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