RE: [huml] Re: a random citation

[Rex Brooks <rexb@starbourne.com>]

I concur.

Ciao,
Rex

At 9:21 AM -0500 9/5/03, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote:
>I agree that primary and secondary emotions don't
>seem to apply to the notion of a timeline, but on
>the other hand, I doubt I've seen the full set of
>properties the users of those terms are expressing.
>
>HumanML itself should be agnostic to the theorectical
>basis of the secondary vocabulary.  I'm not convinced
>the model the author expresses is correct, but it should
>be expressible.  I'd have to study it more to understand
>it and work out a way to do that.   The application of
>HumanML I envision based on the abstract types is that
>any number of different theories could be modeled and
>tested against observable qualities or applied to a
>visualization through an implementing engine such as
>one for an avatar.
>
>len
>
>
>From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com]
>
>I think it was more in the way of the odd occurence that she turned
>up the reference, but I may ask her later.
>
>What is nagging at me right now is that I think the model these folks
>are building would be better served if they used the terms:
>InitialEmotion, and SubsequentEmotion in their format of course,
>rather than as the compound terms I have just coined. Primary and
>Secondary don't build a picture of the progression they are
>describing, especially not in the sense of a crescendo/dimuendo,
>which our intensity-range values can quantify, as implied by their
>description. Their usage also not how I envisioned/envision building
>a secondary HumanML vocabulary from the base complexType Emotion. I
>was thinking of primary emotions being the least complex, as opposed
>to the more complex as their usage describes.
>
>Ciao,
>Rex
>
>At 3:19 PM -0500 9/4/03, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote:
>>I pulled Constance from the cc list just in case she
>>doesn't want to be in this loop.  If she does, add her
>>to your reply.
>>
>>One point is that given a theory like this, a simple
>>set of polar opposites for emotional state ranking is
>>insufficient.  Either that, or we have to model the
>>secondary emotion as the extreme polarization of the
>>primary.  However, we use intensity as an offset
>>value from neutral and I don't think that is adequate
>>for modeling the emergence of the secondary.  We'd have
>>to give this some thought as to the right way to represent
>>this and what values affect it.  The author of that page
>>suggests that one value is time (fear can become anger).
>>So the event timeline is important here.
>>
>>A second point is that emotional management via using
>>sign sets to evoke other emotions is probably a valid
>>approach.  It fits into the theory that emotions have
>>only other emotions as opposing forces and that manipulation
>>of the sign set is one means for the intellect as the
>>selector to manage emotions.  It is a trick question I
>>ask people:  what is the opposite of emotions?  Adults
>>usually reply, intellect.  Children usually reply,
>>other emotions.  Children have a more correct model
>>and that is also an intrigueing bit of information
>>given one asks why do adults believe that they can
>>oppose their emotions with their intellects, and is
>>that a symptom of a dysfunctional personality.
>>
>>len
>
>
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