[legalxml-courtfiling] RE: (legalxml-courtfiling) RE: Includingtranscripts within

[Steve.Spohn@jud.ca.gov]

Karl,

Let me start out by saying I mean no disrespect in my message below. I'm only
trying to stave off a list war like some I had witnessed before LegalXML joined
OASIS.

First, sorry but I don't see your name in the 'Cc' of any of these messages,
only in the 'To' line along with the rest of us who are supposed to be part of
the "list."

Second, I believe you had written a similar message a short while back asking
why there are so many names in the 'To' line in addition to the TC list. I'm
quite sure that John Greacen replied that he wanted as wide a distribution as
possible because the TC was new. I humbly suggest that  it might be more
fruitful for you to have a discussion with John Greacen either by phone or by
email (between only the two of you) to resolve the issue.

Third, and last, for some reason I am receiving two copies of most postings but
realize that for now the as-wide-a-distribution-as-possible mode is in operation
and I simply delete the second one saving myself grief. Eventually, I hope,
there will be email sent only to the distribution list making it easier to
manage my email.

Steve Spohn
AOC/IS Division
Technical/Business Analyst
steve.spohn@jud.ca.gov
(415) 865-7424 [voice]
(415) 865-7498 [fax]
www.courtinfo.ca.gov/programs/efiling/

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-----Original Message-----
From: "Karl F. Best" <karl.best@oasis-open.org> at Internet
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:28 PM
To: Spohn, Steve; "Lewis; Diane" <Diane.Lewis@usdoj.gov> at Internet;
"Lin; Meng-chun" <Meng-chun.Lin@usdoj.gov> at Internet; "'John M.
Greacen'" <john@greacen.net> at Internet; "'Bergeron Donald L. (LNG)'"
<Donald.Bergeron@LEXIS-NEXIS.COM> at Internet; "'jik'" <jik@jkeane.com>
at Internet; "'Larry Webster'" <Larry.Webster@SEARCH.ORG> at Internet;
"'Mary Campbell McQueen'" <mary.mcqueen@courts.wa.gov> at Internet;
"'Mohyeddin Abdulaziz'" <abdulaziz@APLTWO.CT.STATE.AZ.US> at Internet;
"'Robin Gibson'" <Robin_Gibson@osca.state.mo.us> at Internet; "'Rolly
Chambers'" <rlchambers@justice.com> at Internet; "'Terrie Bousquin'"
<bousquin@greacen.net> at Internet; "'Eddie OBrien'"
<eddie@ringtailsolutions.com> at Internet; "'Roger Winters'"
<Roger.Winters@METROKC.GOV> at Internet; "'Gregory W. Arnold'"
<arnoldg@aoc.courts.state.ga.us> at Internet; "'Dr. Laurence Leff'"
<D-Leff@wiu.edu> at Internet; "'John Messing'"
<jmessing@LAW-ON-LINE.COM> at Internet; "'Allen Jensen'"
<AJENSEN@OCCOURTS.ORG> at Internet; "'Rory Perry'"
<rory@COURTS.STATE.WV.US> at Internet; "'Ron.Beach'"
<Ron.Beach@isd-corp.com> at Internet; "'moira.rowley'"
<moira.rowley@acs-inc.com> at Internet; "'Dwight R Daniels'"
<drdaniels@kpmg.com> at Internet; "'Ron Bowmaster'"
<rbowmast@notes.state.ne.us> at Internet; "'Benjamin T. Wilson'"
<ben.wilson@xcera.net> at Internet; "'Charles Gilliam'"
<charles.gilliam@contentguard.com> at Internet; "'aerts'"
<aerts@lasd.org> at Internet; "'jeromeb'" <jeromeb@email.utcourts.gov>
at Internet; "'tbrown'" <tbrown@o2exchange.com> at Internet;
"'tom.clarke'" <tom.clarke@courts.wa.gov> at Internet; "'bruce.gitlin'"
<bruce.gitlin@contentguard.com> at Internet; "'dagoodwi'"
<dagoodwi@mail.maricopa.gov> at Internet; "'roger'"
<roger@number7.demon.co.uk> at Internet; "'wjohnsto'"
<wjohnsto@adobe.com> at Internet; "'pkasselman'"
<pkasselman@baltimore.com> at Internet; "'Catherine.Krause'"
<Catherine.Krause@METROKC.GOV> at Internet; "'manoj'"
<manoj@infomosaic.com> at Internet; "'gary.pinder'"
<gary.pinder@fct-cf.gc.ca> at Internet; "'gpoindexter'"
<gpoindexter@kpmg.com> at Internet; "'dpowell'" <dpowell@tybera.com> at
Internet; "'ssansom'" <ssansom@austin.rr.com> at Internet; "'tjsmith'"
<tjsmith@itdecision.com> at Internet; "'steven.taylor'"
<steven.taylor@courts.sa.gov.au> at Internet; "'kthotti'"
<kthotti@NOTES.STATE.NE.US> at Internet; "'swood'"
<swood@perfectprobate.com> at Internet; "'Mark S. Yuan'"
<Mark.Yuan@jud.ca.gov> at Internet; "'Robert DeFilippis'"
<rtd@faxfile.com> at Internet; "'John Ruegg'" <jruegg@isab.co.la.ca.us>
at Internet; "'John McClure'" <jmcclure@hypergrove.com> at Internet;
legalxml-courtfiling@lists.oasis-open.org at Internet
Subject: [legalxml-courtfiling] RE: Including transcripts within our


Could everyone please take me off the CC list for this thread? I'm
already subscribed to the legalxml-courtfiling list, and don't need
another copy.

And why is this going to such a long list of CC people in addition to
the TC list?

</karl>
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Karl F. Best
OASIS - Director, Technical Operations
+1 978.667.5115 x206
karl.best@oasis-open.org  http://www.oasis-open.org


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lewis, Diane [mailto:Diane.Lewis@usdoj.gov]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:12 PM
> To: Lin, Meng-chun; 'John M. Greacen'; 'Bergeron Donald L. (LNG)';
> 'jik'; 'Larry Webster'; 'Mary Campbell McQueen'; 'Mohyeddin
> Abdulaziz';
> 'Robin Gibson'; 'Rolly Chambers'; 'Terrie Bousquin'; 'Eddie OBrien';
> 'Roger Winters'; 'Gregory W. Arnold'; 'Dr. Laurence Leff'; 'John
> Messing'; 'Allen Jensen'; 'Rory Perry'; 'Ron.Beach'; 'moira.rowley';
> 'Dwight R Daniels'; 'Ron Bowmaster'; 'Karl F. Best'; 'Benjamin T.
> Wilson'; 'Charles Gilliam'; 'aerts'; 'jeromeb'; 'tbrown';
> 'tom.clarke';
> 'bruce.gitlin'; 'dagoodwi'; 'roger'; 'wjohnsto'; 'pkasselman';
> 'Catherine.Krause'; 'manoj'; 'gary.pinder'; 'gpoindexter';
> 'dpowell';
> 'ssansom'; 'tjsmith'; 'steve.spohn'; 'steven.taylor'; 'kthotti';
> 'swood'; 'Mark S. Yuan'; 'Robert DeFilippis'; 'John Ruegg'; 'John
> McClure'; legalxml-courtfiling@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: Including transcripts within our charter
>
>
> suggest this is a court document....... can we for the time
> being place it within the scope of the existing subcommittee ??
>
> we have the court filing specifications; court document
> specifications;  what do you think?   Diane Lewis DOJ/EOUSA Wash.DC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John M. Greacen [mailto:john@greacen.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:44 AM
> To: Lewis, Diane; Lin, Meng-chun; Bergeron Donald L. (LNG);
> jik; Larry
> Webster; Mary Campbell McQueen; Mohyeddin Abdulaziz; Robin
> Gibson; Rolly
> Chambers; Terrie Bousquin; Eddie OBrien; Roger Winters; Gregory W.
> Arnold; Dr. Laurence Leff; John Messing; Allen Jensen; Rory Perry;
> Ron.Beach; moira.rowley; Dwight R Daniels; john; Ron
> Bowmaster; Karl F.
> Best; Benjamin T. Wilson; Charles Gilliam; aerts; jeromeb; tbrown;
> tom.clarke; bruce.gitlin; dagoodwi; roger; wjohnsto; pkasselman;
> Catherine.Krause; manoj; gary.pinder; gpoindexter; dpowell; ssansom;
> tjsmith; steve.spohn; steven.taylor; kthotti; swood; Mark S. Yuan;
> Robert DeFilippis; John Ruegg; John McClure; Court Filing List
> Subject: Including transcripts within our charter
>
>
> I just got an email from Eddie O'Brien, former chair of the
> Transcripts
> Work Group in Legal XML, asking if our TC would be willing
> to absorb the
> transcripts work.  There has been a TC discussion list for
> 90 days, the
> group has a charter, and it has a draft DTD.  It does not
> have anyone
> willing to serve as chair of the TC.
>
> I am copying his message below in italics.  Based on the
> response to a
> similar request from a member of another potential TC, I do
> not believe
> that OASIS will extend the time for the discussion list
> (Eddie's third
> option).
>
> Are we willing to take this on?  Our plate is already full.
>  However XML
> transcripts are an obviously good thing, and closely related to our
> task, since they are official court records.  Is there anyone in our
> group, not already committed to a major task, willing to provide
> leadership to a subcommittee on transcripts?
>
> The TC discussion list will close after Friday.  So we need
> to respond
> immediately.  Please respond by the close of business on Thursday.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts on this.
>
> In line with the approach set out by OASIS I understand that the
> timeframe for establishing the Transcripts TC is approaching.
>
> Background: The Charter for the group is in place and there
> is already a
>
> draft transcript standard.
>
> I have polled the community who are subscribed to the Transcript
> discussion list and have had some significant positive feedback on
> establishing a forum for the creation of a transcript standard.
>
> I have also approached two of the National governing bodies for
> transcript production - National Court Reporters
> Association (NCRA) and
> also the National Verbatim Reporters Association (NVRA) - for their
> support. The holiday season has certainly had an effect on
> their ability
>
> to respond.
>
> However, no prospective TC leader has come forward and, as stated
> previously, I'm unable to commit the considerable amount of time to
> continue this effort alone although I'm prepared to
> contribute to any
> standard.
>
> Assessment: I'm convinced, and it appears that many others
> also agree,
> that a transcript standard is appropriate to the needs of the legal
> community.
>
> Option 1: There has been some discussion that Court
> Transcripts could be
>
> part of the Court eFiling TC. This makes some sense and may
> be a better
> place for this work to take place although John Greacen
> would need to
> poll his community to approve this. Therefore, I suggest that John's
> group be polled to see if this is a suitable forum to progress
> transcripts.
>
> Option 2: We suspend this effort until a later date.
>
> Option 3: Oasis leave the Discussion List open for an
> extended period to
>
> allow the community to decide whether it wants to establish a
> Transcripts TC.
>
>
>
>
> --
> John M. Greacen
> Greacen Associates, LLC.
> 18 Fairly Road
> Santa Fe, NM  87507
> 505-471-0203
>
>


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