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Subject: Re: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting
Unless Laurent, Carol or Dee think that OASIS' participation will change the equation at RSA, perhaps it is best to focus on the 4 target groups John identified for 2009. (I worry that in the gestation period of the protocol, the economic climate might give us a bad reading regardless of our effort. But, we must soldier on; people are still buying houses - although at lower prices - and its all the more important that NASS, PRIA and MISMO focus on cutting costs - which ENML should help them do). Arshad John Messing wrote: > I think these are all good ideas but I think Mark Ladd has a point. I > would prioritize efforts and money part from the ABA as follows: > > 1. NASS > 2. PRIA > 3. NNA Conference > 4. MISMO > > The reason is this: real estate recording documents in the US almost > universally have to be notarized, making the real estate recording > industry a prime consumer of the standard. But the notary administrators > need to approve the methods via regulations or legislation. So they need > to be sold as well. MISMO concerns the banking interests that lend > against the recorded mortgages so their buy-in is important as well. > > The NNA Conference brings a lot of these different people together as > well as the notaries themselves and foreign diplomats and technicians to > discuss enotarization. So long as the NNA realizes that the ENML > standard does not undercut but coexists with their proprietary certs, > and can help expand the usefulness of them, I think a win-win situation > can be created with the NNA. > > Hope this helps. > > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting >> From: Arshad Noor <arshad.noor@strongauth.com> >> Date: Thu, January 22, 2009 11:24 am >> To: John Messing <jmessing@law-on-line.com> >> Cc: Mark Ladd <mladd@pria.us>, 'legalxml-enotary' >> <legalxml-enotary@lists.oasis-open.org>, 'laurent liscia' >> <laurent.liscia@oasis-open.org>, 'Carol Geyer' >> <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>, 'Dee Schur' <dee.schur@oasis-open.org>, >> "'Marc L. Aronson'" <maronson@notary.org> >> >> >> No argument on the ISC/DE meetings, John; the ROI on presenting >> ENML to these groups - if they give us the time-slots - is huge >> with minimal investment (I live in the Bay Area anyway, so there >> is no cost to my presenting here). >> >> Arshad >> >> John Messing wrote: >>> I tend to agree with Mark on the RSA booth given the cost; however, the >>> ABA ISC and DE meeting just prior to RSA where several of the legal >>> lights of digital evidence will be in attendance and the cost is free is >>> still a viable option. >>> >>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>> Subject: RE: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting >>>> From: "Mark Ladd" <mladd@pria.us> >>>> Date: Thu, January 22, 2009 8:57 am >>>> To: "'Arshad Noor'" <arshad.noor@strongauth.com>, "'Marc L. Aronson'" >>>> <maronson@notary.org> >>>> Cc: "'legalxml-enotary'" <legalxml-enotary@lists.oasis-open.org>, >>>> "'laurent liscia'" <laurent.liscia@oasis-open.org>, "'Carol Geyer'" >>>> <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>, "'Dee Schur'" <dee.schur@oasis-open.org> >>>> >>>> >>>> Arshad, >>>> >>>> I like the "bigness" of your thinking - however - I'm wondering if RSA is >>>> really the right target audience for eNotary. Maybe it will be someday, but >>>> it seems to me that our most critical audience right now are the Notary >>>> Administrators (who set the rules for notary) and the real estate finance >>>> folks (who are the largest "consumers" of notary in the US). If these two >>>> groups don't embrace ENML, then I'm not sure that RSA helps us much. >>>> >>>> I'd be interested in what other TC members think about this. Also, if you >>>> (or anyone else on the TC) can help me to better connect the dots between >>>> eNotary and RSA, that might help too. >>>> >>>> I'm not opposed - I'm just not seeing the connection yet. >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark Ladd >>>> PRIA Consultant >>>> >>>> 262-498-0850 >>>> mladd@pria.us >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Arshad Noor [mailto:arshad.noor@strongauth.com] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:56 PM >>>> To: Marc L. Aronson >>>> Cc: legalxml-enotary; laurent liscia; Carol Geyer; Dee Schur >>>> Subject: Re: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting >>>> >>>> Thanks, Marc. I'll wait to hear back from you when NPA >>>> confirms; the sooner I know the better so I can block it >>>> out on my calendar. I've just confirmed speaking at the >>>> CTST (Card Technology/Security Technology) show in the >>>> first week of May in New Orleans. >>>> >>>> (You may want to modify the description of OASIS to say that >>>> it is an "international (non-profit) standards development >>>> organization (like IEEE, ANSI or the ISO)". OASIS does not >>>> create any technology - just standards that are implemented >>>> by technology vendors.) >>>> >>>> All, here's what I found out from RSA: >>>> >>>> 1) Their minimum booth size is 10x10 at a cost of $6,750; >>>> 2) They do not provide a discount to SDO's; >>>> >>>> I don't think its worth it for a single TC to spend that kind >>>> of money on a booth. However, I have a suggestion that might >>>> benefit eNotary TC, the EKMI TC and OASIS: >>>> >>>> - In the EKMI TC, we had about $1,500 left over from the 2008 >>>> budget; I've requested $500 from the IDtrust SC for a face- >>>> to-face TC meeting during RSA. Assuming this gets approved, >>>> we'll have about $1K left-over; >>>> - If EKMI TC chips-in this $1K, if eNotary TC chips-in $2K and >>>> perhaps, if OASIS itself puts in $4K, we could get the booth >>>> and promote ENML, SKSML (EKMI TC's new protocol) and general >>>> OASIS membership in the booth; >>>> - We can hand out a couple of white-papers on ENML - one that >>>> I expect to write up for the ABA SciTech Journal, and the >>>> Security Implications paper - and put up a rolling ENML >>>> presentation (which I plan to create for our repository >>>> before we go out for Public Review) on a PC in the booth. >>>> - If anyone from eNotary TC (besides myself) is attending RSA, >>>> they could volunteer to man the booth for a couple of hours >>>> to talk about ENML and eNotary TC; >>>> - An OASIS representative (assuming someone attends) could then >>>> talk about general OASIS membership; and >>>> - I will be there to talk about ENML and SKSML for at least 2 >>>> of the 3 three days the booth is available. >>>> >>>> Aside from a couple of laptops for the SKSML and ENML >>>> presentations, we only need a couple of posters on ENML & SKSML >>>> (under $100 each from Kinko's) and the OASIS banner (which they >>>> already have). >>>> >>>> All in all, this might give all of us some bang for part of the >>>> buck. If OASIS does not, or cannot, chip-in the $4K, we could >>>> ask a few more TC's if they want to participate? ECF? Dee (who >>>> is copied on the e-mail) could ask a couple of the security TC's >>>> if they'd like to participate. If we got 3-4 TC's, then we >>>> could all do it for $1K-$2K each (with volunteer support from >>>> each TC). >>>> >>>> What do you all think? >>>> >>>> Arshad >>>> >>>> >>>> Marc L. Aronson wrote: >>>>> Arshad: >>>>> >>>>> Here is part of an email I wrote NASS about you being a speaker at >>>>> NASS-NPA this summer. Below you will find their answer. >>>>> >>>>> I have also written the NPA directly, but have not received a response >>>>> as of this time and date. >>>>> >>>>> Marc A. >>>>> >>>>> *My question:* >>>>> >>>>> I belong to a committee that wants to have a speaker at the NPA part of >>>>> the Summer NASS meeting. I assume that anyone can come in and speak to >>>>> the NPA section without any problem or fee as long as the NPA approves. >>>>> This person/committee might want to set up a vendor booth (the >>>>> organization is OASIS, a world wide technology organization). While you >>>>> may not have determined your vendor fees for this summer yet, may I >>>>> please have an example of what they are for this winters conference; >>>>> that will be close enough for planning purposes. >>>>> >>>>> *Their answer:* >>>>> >>>>> If NPA invites you to speak this summer, that is the only approval you >>>>> need. If you intend to stay for any of the conference beyond your day >>>>> of the presentation, you would need to register. Registration fees for >>>>> the summer conference will probably be around $900 for a corporate >>>>> non-member (a business entity that is not a corporate affiliate of >>>>> NASS). Exhibit booths at the summer conference usually run about $500. >>>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >>>> generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: >>>> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >>>> generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: >>>> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php >
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