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Subject: Re: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting


Thanks all for this invigorating and educational exchange.
Due to budgetary constraints, we have already decided which events to 
focus on at this juncture - and RSA is not one of them. The four target 
groups you identified sound like the correct candidates.
Best regards,

Arshad Noor wrote:
> Unless Laurent, Carol or Dee think that OASIS' participation
> will change the equation at RSA, perhaps it is best to focus
> on the 4 target groups John identified for 2009.
> 
> (I worry that in the gestation period of the protocol, the
> economic climate might give us a bad reading regardless of
> our effort.  But, we must soldier on; people are still buying
> houses - although at lower prices - and its all the more
> important that NASS, PRIA and MISMO focus on cutting costs -
> which ENML should help them do).
> 
> Arshad
> 
> John Messing wrote:
>> I think these are all good ideas but I think Mark Ladd has a point. I
>> would prioritize efforts and money part from the ABA as follows:
>>
>> 1. NASS
>> 2. PRIA
>> 3. NNA Conference
>> 4. MISMO
>>
>> The reason is this: real estate recording documents in the US almost
>> universally have to be notarized, making the real estate recording
>> industry a prime consumer of the standard. But the notary administrators
>> need to approve the methods via regulations or legislation. So they need
>> to be sold as well. MISMO concerns the banking interests that lend
>> against the recorded mortgages so their buy-in is important as well.
>>
>> The NNA Conference brings a lot of these different people together as
>> well as the notaries themselves and foreign diplomats and technicians to
>> discuss enotarization. So long as the NNA realizes that the ENML
>> standard does not undercut but coexists with their proprietary certs,
>> and can help expand the usefulness of them, I think a win-win situation
>> can be created with the NNA.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting
>>> From: Arshad Noor <arshad.noor@strongauth.com>
>>> Date: Thu, January 22, 2009 11:24 am
>>> To: John Messing <jmessing@law-on-line.com>
>>> Cc: Mark Ladd <mladd@pria.us>,  'legalxml-enotary'
>>> <legalxml-enotary@lists.oasis-open.org>, 'laurent liscia'
>>> <laurent.liscia@oasis-open.org>,  'Carol Geyer'
>>> <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>, 'Dee Schur' <dee.schur@oasis-open.org>, 
>>> "'Marc L. Aronson'" <maronson@notary.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> No argument on the ISC/DE meetings, John; the ROI on presenting
>>> ENML to these groups - if they give us the time-slots - is huge
>>> with minimal investment (I live in the Bay Area anyway, so there
>>> is no cost to my presenting here).
>>>
>>> Arshad
>>>
>>> John Messing wrote:
>>>> I tend to agree with Mark on the RSA booth given the cost; however, the
>>>> ABA ISC and DE meeting just prior to RSA where several of the legal
>>>> lights of digital evidence will be in attendance and the cost is 
>>>> free is
>>>> still a viable option.
>>>>
>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>> Subject: RE: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting
>>>>> From: "Mark Ladd" <mladd@pria.us>
>>>>> Date: Thu, January 22, 2009 8:57 am
>>>>> To: "'Arshad Noor'" <arshad.noor@strongauth.com>, "'Marc L. Aronson'"
>>>>> <maronson@notary.org>
>>>>> Cc: "'legalxml-enotary'" <legalxml-enotary@lists.oasis-open.org>,
>>>>> "'laurent liscia'" <laurent.liscia@oasis-open.org>, "'Carol Geyer'"
>>>>> <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>, "'Dee Schur'" <dee.schur@oasis-open.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Arshad,
>>>>>
>>>>> I like the "bigness" of your thinking - however - I'm wondering if 
>>>>> RSA is
>>>>> really the right target audience for eNotary.  Maybe it will be 
>>>>> someday, but
>>>>> it seems to me that our most critical audience right now are the 
>>>>> Notary
>>>>> Administrators (who set the rules for notary) and the real estate 
>>>>> finance
>>>>> folks (who are the largest "consumers" of notary in the US).  If 
>>>>> these two
>>>>> groups don't embrace ENML, then I'm not sure that RSA helps us much.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd be interested in what other TC members think about this.  Also, 
>>>>> if you
>>>>> (or anyone else on the TC) can help me to better connect the dots 
>>>>> between
>>>>> eNotary and RSA, that might help too.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not opposed - I'm just not seeing the connection yet.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Ladd
>>>>> PRIA Consultant
>>>>>  
>>>>> 262-498-0850
>>>>> mladd@pria.us  
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Arshad Noor [mailto:arshad.noor@strongauth.com] Sent: 
>>>>> Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:56 PM
>>>>> To: Marc L. Aronson
>>>>> Cc: legalxml-enotary; laurent liscia; Carol Geyer; Dee Schur
>>>>> Subject: Re: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Marc.  I'll wait to hear back from you when NPA
>>>>> confirms; the sooner I know the better so I can block it
>>>>> out on my calendar.  I've just confirmed speaking at the
>>>>> CTST (Card Technology/Security Technology) show in the
>>>>> first week of May in New Orleans.
>>>>>
>>>>> (You may want to modify the description of OASIS to say that
>>>>> it is an "international (non-profit) standards development
>>>>> organization (like IEEE, ANSI or the ISO)".  OASIS does not
>>>>> create any technology - just standards that are implemented
>>>>> by technology vendors.)
>>>>>
>>>>> All, here's what I found out from RSA:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Their minimum booth size is 10x10 at a cost of $6,750;
>>>>> 2) They do not provide a discount to SDO's;
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think its worth it for a single TC to spend that kind
>>>>> of money on a booth.  However, I have a suggestion that might
>>>>> benefit eNotary TC, the EKMI TC and OASIS:
>>>>>
>>>>> - In the EKMI TC, we had about $1,500 left over from the 2008
>>>>>    budget; I've requested $500 from the IDtrust SC for a face-
>>>>>    to-face TC meeting during RSA.  Assuming this gets approved,
>>>>>    we'll have about $1K left-over;
>>>>> - If EKMI TC chips-in this $1K, if eNotary TC chips-in $2K and
>>>>>    perhaps, if OASIS itself puts in $4K, we could get the booth
>>>>>    and promote ENML, SKSML (EKMI TC's new protocol) and general
>>>>>    OASIS membership in the booth;
>>>>> - We can hand out a couple of white-papers on ENML - one that
>>>>>    I expect to write up for the ABA SciTech Journal, and the
>>>>>    Security Implications paper - and put up a rolling ENML
>>>>>    presentation (which I plan to create for our repository
>>>>>    before we go out for Public Review) on a PC in the booth.
>>>>> - If anyone from eNotary TC (besides myself) is attending RSA,
>>>>>    they could volunteer to man the booth for a couple of hours
>>>>>    to talk about ENML and eNotary TC;
>>>>> - An OASIS representative (assuming someone attends) could then
>>>>>    talk about general OASIS membership; and
>>>>> - I will be there to talk about ENML and SKSML for at least 2
>>>>>    of the 3 three days the booth is available.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aside from a couple of laptops for the SKSML and ENML
>>>>> presentations, we only need a couple of posters on ENML & SKSML
>>>>> (under $100 each from Kinko's) and the OASIS banner (which they
>>>>> already have).
>>>>>
>>>>> All in all, this might give all of us some bang for part of the
>>>>> buck.  If OASIS does not, or cannot, chip-in the $4K, we could
>>>>> ask a few more TC's if they want to participate?  ECF?  Dee (who
>>>>> is copied on the e-mail) could ask a couple of the security TC's
>>>>> if they'd like to participate.  If we got 3-4 TC's, then we
>>>>> could all do it for $1K-$2K each (with volunteer support from
>>>>> each TC).
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you all think?
>>>>>
>>>>> Arshad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marc L. Aronson wrote:
>>>>>> Arshad:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is part of an email I wrote NASS about you being a speaker at 
>>>>>> NASS-NPA this summer. Below you will find their answer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have also written the NPA directly, but have not received a 
>>>>>> response as of this time and date.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marc A.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *My question:*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I belong to a committee that wants to have a speaker at the NPA 
>>>>>> part of the Summer NASS meeting. I assume that anyone can come in 
>>>>>> and speak to the NPA section without any problem or fee as long as 
>>>>>> the NPA approves. This person/committee might want to set up a 
>>>>>> vendor booth (the organization is OASIS, a world wide technology 
>>>>>> organization). While you may not have determined your vendor fees 
>>>>>> for this summer yet, may I please have an example of what they are 
>>>>>> for this winter’s conference; that will be close enough for 
>>>>>> planning purposes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Their answer:*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If NPA invites you to speak this summer, that is the only approval 
>>>>>> you need.  If you intend to stay for any of the conference beyond 
>>>>>> your day of the presentation, you would need to register.  
>>>>>> Registration fees for the summer conference will probably be 
>>>>>> around $900 for a corporate non-member (a business entity that is 
>>>>>> not a corporate affiliate of NASS).  Exhibit booths at the summer 
>>>>>> conference usually run about $500.
>>>>>>
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