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Subject: Re: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting
Thanks all for this invigorating and educational exchange. Due to budgetary constraints, we have already decided which events to focus on at this juncture - and RSA is not one of them. The four target groups you identified sound like the correct candidates. Best regards, Arshad Noor wrote: > Unless Laurent, Carol or Dee think that OASIS' participation > will change the equation at RSA, perhaps it is best to focus > on the 4 target groups John identified for 2009. > > (I worry that in the gestation period of the protocol, the > economic climate might give us a bad reading regardless of > our effort. But, we must soldier on; people are still buying > houses - although at lower prices - and its all the more > important that NASS, PRIA and MISMO focus on cutting costs - > which ENML should help them do). > > Arshad > > John Messing wrote: >> I think these are all good ideas but I think Mark Ladd has a point. I >> would prioritize efforts and money part from the ABA as follows: >> >> 1. NASS >> 2. PRIA >> 3. NNA Conference >> 4. MISMO >> >> The reason is this: real estate recording documents in the US almost >> universally have to be notarized, making the real estate recording >> industry a prime consumer of the standard. But the notary administrators >> need to approve the methods via regulations or legislation. So they need >> to be sold as well. MISMO concerns the banking interests that lend >> against the recorded mortgages so their buy-in is important as well. >> >> The NNA Conference brings a lot of these different people together as >> well as the notaries themselves and foreign diplomats and technicians to >> discuss enotarization. So long as the NNA realizes that the ENML >> standard does not undercut but coexists with their proprietary certs, >> and can help expand the usefulness of them, I think a win-win situation >> can be created with the NNA. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: Re: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting >>> From: Arshad Noor <arshad.noor@strongauth.com> >>> Date: Thu, January 22, 2009 11:24 am >>> To: John Messing <jmessing@law-on-line.com> >>> Cc: Mark Ladd <mladd@pria.us>, 'legalxml-enotary' >>> <legalxml-enotary@lists.oasis-open.org>, 'laurent liscia' >>> <laurent.liscia@oasis-open.org>, 'Carol Geyer' >>> <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>, 'Dee Schur' <dee.schur@oasis-open.org>, >>> "'Marc L. Aronson'" <maronson@notary.org> >>> >>> >>> No argument on the ISC/DE meetings, John; the ROI on presenting >>> ENML to these groups - if they give us the time-slots - is huge >>> with minimal investment (I live in the Bay Area anyway, so there >>> is no cost to my presenting here). >>> >>> Arshad >>> >>> John Messing wrote: >>>> I tend to agree with Mark on the RSA booth given the cost; however, the >>>> ABA ISC and DE meeting just prior to RSA where several of the legal >>>> lights of digital evidence will be in attendance and the cost is >>>> free is >>>> still a viable option. >>>> >>>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>>> Subject: RE: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting >>>>> From: "Mark Ladd" <mladd@pria.us> >>>>> Date: Thu, January 22, 2009 8:57 am >>>>> To: "'Arshad Noor'" <arshad.noor@strongauth.com>, "'Marc L. Aronson'" >>>>> <maronson@notary.org> >>>>> Cc: "'legalxml-enotary'" <legalxml-enotary@lists.oasis-open.org>, >>>>> "'laurent liscia'" <laurent.liscia@oasis-open.org>, "'Carol Geyer'" >>>>> <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>, "'Dee Schur'" <dee.schur@oasis-open.org> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Arshad, >>>>> >>>>> I like the "bigness" of your thinking - however - I'm wondering if >>>>> RSA is >>>>> really the right target audience for eNotary. Maybe it will be >>>>> someday, but >>>>> it seems to me that our most critical audience right now are the >>>>> Notary >>>>> Administrators (who set the rules for notary) and the real estate >>>>> finance >>>>> folks (who are the largest "consumers" of notary in the US). If >>>>> these two >>>>> groups don't embrace ENML, then I'm not sure that RSA helps us much. >>>>> >>>>> I'd be interested in what other TC members think about this. Also, >>>>> if you >>>>> (or anyone else on the TC) can help me to better connect the dots >>>>> between >>>>> eNotary and RSA, that might help too. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not opposed - I'm just not seeing the connection yet. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mark Ladd >>>>> PRIA Consultant >>>>> >>>>> 262-498-0850 >>>>> mladd@pria.us >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Arshad Noor [mailto:arshad.noor@strongauth.com] Sent: >>>>> Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:56 PM >>>>> To: Marc L. Aronson >>>>> Cc: legalxml-enotary; laurent liscia; Carol Geyer; Dee Schur >>>>> Subject: Re: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Marc. I'll wait to hear back from you when NPA >>>>> confirms; the sooner I know the better so I can block it >>>>> out on my calendar. I've just confirmed speaking at the >>>>> CTST (Card Technology/Security Technology) show in the >>>>> first week of May in New Orleans. >>>>> >>>>> (You may want to modify the description of OASIS to say that >>>>> it is an "international (non-profit) standards development >>>>> organization (like IEEE, ANSI or the ISO)". OASIS does not >>>>> create any technology - just standards that are implemented >>>>> by technology vendors.) >>>>> >>>>> All, here's what I found out from RSA: >>>>> >>>>> 1) Their minimum booth size is 10x10 at a cost of $6,750; >>>>> 2) They do not provide a discount to SDO's; >>>>> >>>>> I don't think its worth it for a single TC to spend that kind >>>>> of money on a booth. However, I have a suggestion that might >>>>> benefit eNotary TC, the EKMI TC and OASIS: >>>>> >>>>> - In the EKMI TC, we had about $1,500 left over from the 2008 >>>>> budget; I've requested $500 from the IDtrust SC for a face- >>>>> to-face TC meeting during RSA. Assuming this gets approved, >>>>> we'll have about $1K left-over; >>>>> - If EKMI TC chips-in this $1K, if eNotary TC chips-in $2K and >>>>> perhaps, if OASIS itself puts in $4K, we could get the booth >>>>> and promote ENML, SKSML (EKMI TC's new protocol) and general >>>>> OASIS membership in the booth; >>>>> - We can hand out a couple of white-papers on ENML - one that >>>>> I expect to write up for the ABA SciTech Journal, and the >>>>> Security Implications paper - and put up a rolling ENML >>>>> presentation (which I plan to create for our repository >>>>> before we go out for Public Review) on a PC in the booth. >>>>> - If anyone from eNotary TC (besides myself) is attending RSA, >>>>> they could volunteer to man the booth for a couple of hours >>>>> to talk about ENML and eNotary TC; >>>>> - An OASIS representative (assuming someone attends) could then >>>>> talk about general OASIS membership; and >>>>> - I will be there to talk about ENML and SKSML for at least 2 >>>>> of the 3 three days the booth is available. >>>>> >>>>> Aside from a couple of laptops for the SKSML and ENML >>>>> presentations, we only need a couple of posters on ENML & SKSML >>>>> (under $100 each from Kinko's) and the OASIS banner (which they >>>>> already have). >>>>> >>>>> All in all, this might give all of us some bang for part of the >>>>> buck. If OASIS does not, or cannot, chip-in the $4K, we could >>>>> ask a few more TC's if they want to participate? ECF? Dee (who >>>>> is copied on the e-mail) could ask a couple of the security TC's >>>>> if they'd like to participate. If we got 3-4 TC's, then we >>>>> could all do it for $1K-$2K each (with volunteer support from >>>>> each TC). >>>>> >>>>> What do you all think? >>>>> >>>>> Arshad >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marc L. Aronson wrote: >>>>>> Arshad: >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is part of an email I wrote NASS about you being a speaker at >>>>>> NASS-NPA this summer. Below you will find their answer. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have also written the NPA directly, but have not received a >>>>>> response as of this time and date. >>>>>> >>>>>> Marc A. >>>>>> >>>>>> *My question:* >>>>>> >>>>>> I belong to a committee that wants to have a speaker at the NPA >>>>>> part of the Summer NASS meeting. I assume that anyone can come in >>>>>> and speak to the NPA section without any problem or fee as long as >>>>>> the NPA approves. This person/committee might want to set up a >>>>>> vendor booth (the organization is OASIS, a world wide technology >>>>>> organization). While you may not have determined your vendor fees >>>>>> for this summer yet, may I please have an example of what they are >>>>>> for this winters conference; that will be close enough for >>>>>> planning purposes. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Their answer:* >>>>>> >>>>>> If NPA invites you to speak this summer, that is the only approval >>>>>> you need. If you intend to stay for any of the conference beyond >>>>>> your day of the presentation, you would need to register. >>>>>> Registration fees for the summer conference will probably be >>>>>> around $900 for a corporate non-member (a business entity that is >>>>>> not a corporate affiliate of NASS). Exhibit booths at the summer >>>>>> conference usually run about $500. >>>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >>>>> generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: >>>>> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >>>>> generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: >>>>> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php >> -- Laurent Liscia, Executive Director OASIS: Advancing open standards for the information society 1-978-667-5115, extension 201 Take a tour of OASIS at: http://www.oasis-open.org/home/tour.php
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