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Subject: RE: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting
Hello Everyone, I'm happy to help out with the below event opportunities. I'll evaluate the four options listed and respond back to the group in a timely fashion. Please feel free to let me know if you would like to discuss these or other options on your next conference call. I'd be happy to join in on the dialogue. Regards, Jane -----Original Message----- From: Carol Geyer [mailto:carol.geyer@oasis-open.org] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:24 AM To: 'Jane Harnad' Subject: FW: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting -----Original Message----- From: Laurent M Liscia [mailto:laurent.liscia@oasis-open.org] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:09 PM To: Arshad Noor Cc: John Messing; Mark Ladd; 'legalxml-enotary'; 'Carol Geyer'; 'Dee Schur'; 'Marc L. Aronson' Subject: Re: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting Thanks all for this invigorating and educational exchange. Due to budgetary constraints, we have already decided which events to focus on at this juncture - and RSA is not one of them. The four target groups you identified sound like the correct candidates. Best regards, Arshad Noor wrote: > Unless Laurent, Carol or Dee think that OASIS' participation will > change the equation at RSA, perhaps it is best to focus on the 4 > target groups John identified for 2009. > > (I worry that in the gestation period of the protocol, the economic > climate might give us a bad reading regardless of our effort. But, we > must soldier on; people are still buying houses - although at lower > prices - and its all the more important that NASS, PRIA and MISMO > focus on cutting costs - which ENML should help them do). > > Arshad > > John Messing wrote: >> I think these are all good ideas but I think Mark Ladd has a point. I >> would prioritize efforts and money part from the ABA as follows: >> >> 1. NASS >> 2. PRIA >> 3. NNA Conference >> 4. MISMO >> >> The reason is this: real estate recording documents in the US almost >> universally have to be notarized, making the real estate recording >> industry a prime consumer of the standard. But the notary >> administrators need to approve the methods via regulations or >> legislation. So they need to be sold as well. MISMO concerns the >> banking interests that lend against the recorded mortgages so their buy-in is important as well. >> >> The NNA Conference brings a lot of these different people together as >> well as the notaries themselves and foreign diplomats and technicians >> to discuss enotarization. So long as the NNA realizes that the ENML >> standard does not undercut but coexists with their proprietary certs, >> and can help expand the usefulness of them, I think a win-win >> situation can be created with the NNA. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: Re: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting >>> From: Arshad Noor <arshad.noor@strongauth.com> >>> Date: Thu, January 22, 2009 11:24 am >>> To: John Messing <jmessing@law-on-line.com> >>> Cc: Mark Ladd <mladd@pria.us>, 'legalxml-enotary' >>> <legalxml-enotary@lists.oasis-open.org>, 'laurent liscia' >>> <laurent.liscia@oasis-open.org>, 'Carol Geyer' >>> <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>, 'Dee Schur' >>> <dee.schur@oasis-open.org>, "'Marc L. Aronson'" >>> <maronson@notary.org> >>> >>> >>> No argument on the ISC/DE meetings, John; the ROI on presenting ENML >>> to these groups - if they give us the time-slots - is huge with >>> minimal investment (I live in the Bay Area anyway, so there is no >>> cost to my presenting here). >>> >>> Arshad >>> >>> John Messing wrote: >>>> I tend to agree with Mark on the RSA booth given the cost; however, >>>> the ABA ISC and DE meeting just prior to RSA where several of the >>>> legal lights of digital evidence will be in attendance and the cost >>>> is free is still a viable option. >>>> >>>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>>> Subject: RE: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting >>>>> From: "Mark Ladd" <mladd@pria.us> >>>>> Date: Thu, January 22, 2009 8:57 am >>>>> To: "'Arshad Noor'" <arshad.noor@strongauth.com>, "'Marc L. Aronson'" >>>>> <maronson@notary.org> >>>>> Cc: "'legalxml-enotary'" <legalxml-enotary@lists.oasis-open.org>, >>>>> "'laurent liscia'" <laurent.liscia@oasis-open.org>, "'Carol Geyer'" >>>>> <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>, "'Dee Schur'" >>>>> <dee.schur@oasis-open.org> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Arshad, >>>>> >>>>> I like the "bigness" of your thinking - however - I'm wondering if >>>>> RSA is really the right target audience for eNotary. Maybe it >>>>> will be someday, but it seems to me that our most critical >>>>> audience right now are the Notary Administrators (who set the >>>>> rules for notary) and the real estate finance folks (who are the >>>>> largest "consumers" of notary in the US). If these two groups >>>>> don't embrace ENML, then I'm not sure that RSA helps us much. >>>>> >>>>> I'd be interested in what other TC members think about this. >>>>> Also, if you (or anyone else on the TC) can help me to better >>>>> connect the dots between eNotary and RSA, that might help too. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not opposed - I'm just not seeing the connection yet. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mark Ladd >>>>> PRIA Consultant >>>>> >>>>> 262-498-0850 >>>>> mladd@pria.us >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Arshad Noor [mailto:arshad.noor@strongauth.com] Sent: >>>>> Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:56 PM >>>>> To: Marc L. Aronson >>>>> Cc: legalxml-enotary; laurent liscia; Carol Geyer; Dee Schur >>>>> Subject: Re: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Marc. I'll wait to hear back from you when NPA confirms; >>>>> the sooner I know the better so I can block it out on my calendar. >>>>> I've just confirmed speaking at the CTST (Card Technology/Security >>>>> Technology) show in the first week of May in New Orleans. >>>>> >>>>> (You may want to modify the description of OASIS to say that it is >>>>> an "international (non-profit) standards development organization >>>>> (like IEEE, ANSI or the ISO)". OASIS does not create any >>>>> technology - just standards that are implemented by technology >>>>> vendors.) >>>>> >>>>> All, here's what I found out from RSA: >>>>> >>>>> 1) Their minimum booth size is 10x10 at a cost of $6,750; >>>>> 2) They do not provide a discount to SDO's; >>>>> >>>>> I don't think its worth it for a single TC to spend that kind of >>>>> money on a booth. However, I have a suggestion that might benefit >>>>> eNotary TC, the EKMI TC and OASIS: >>>>> >>>>> - In the EKMI TC, we had about $1,500 left over from the 2008 >>>>> budget; I've requested $500 from the IDtrust SC for a face- >>>>> to-face TC meeting during RSA. Assuming this gets approved, >>>>> we'll have about $1K left-over; >>>>> - If EKMI TC chips-in this $1K, if eNotary TC chips-in $2K and >>>>> perhaps, if OASIS itself puts in $4K, we could get the booth >>>>> and promote ENML, SKSML (EKMI TC's new protocol) and general >>>>> OASIS membership in the booth; >>>>> - We can hand out a couple of white-papers on ENML - one that >>>>> I expect to write up for the ABA SciTech Journal, and the >>>>> Security Implications paper - and put up a rolling ENML >>>>> presentation (which I plan to create for our repository >>>>> before we go out for Public Review) on a PC in the booth. >>>>> - If anyone from eNotary TC (besides myself) is attending RSA, >>>>> they could volunteer to man the booth for a couple of hours >>>>> to talk about ENML and eNotary TC; >>>>> - An OASIS representative (assuming someone attends) could then >>>>> talk about general OASIS membership; and >>>>> - I will be there to talk about ENML and SKSML for at least 2 >>>>> of the 3 three days the booth is available. >>>>> >>>>> Aside from a couple of laptops for the SKSML and ENML >>>>> presentations, we only need a couple of posters on ENML & SKSML >>>>> (under $100 each from Kinko's) and the OASIS banner (which they >>>>> already have). >>>>> >>>>> All in all, this might give all of us some bang for part of the >>>>> buck. If OASIS does not, or cannot, chip-in the $4K, we could ask >>>>> a few more TC's if they want to participate? ECF? Dee (who is >>>>> copied on the e-mail) could ask a couple of the security TC's if >>>>> they'd like to participate. If we got 3-4 TC's, then we could all >>>>> do it for $1K-$2K each (with volunteer support from each TC). >>>>> >>>>> What do you all think? >>>>> >>>>> Arshad >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marc L. Aronson wrote: >>>>>> Arshad: >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is part of an email I wrote NASS about you being a speaker >>>>>> at NASS-NPA this summer. Below you will find their answer. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have also written the NPA directly, but have not received a >>>>>> response as of this time and date. >>>>>> >>>>>> Marc A. >>>>>> >>>>>> *My question:* >>>>>> >>>>>> I belong to a committee that wants to have a speaker at the NPA >>>>>> part of the Summer NASS meeting. I assume that anyone can come in >>>>>> and speak to the NPA section without any problem or fee as long >>>>>> as the NPA approves. This person/committee might want to set up a >>>>>> vendor booth (the organization is OASIS, a world wide technology >>>>>> organization). While you may not have determined your vendor fees >>>>>> for this summer yet, may I please have an example of what they >>>>>> are for this winter's conference; that will be close enough for >>>>>> planning purposes. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Their answer:* >>>>>> >>>>>> If NPA invites you to speak this summer, that is the only >>>>>> approval you need. If you intend to stay for any of the >>>>>> conference beyond your day of the presentation, you would need to register. >>>>>> Registration fees for the summer conference will probably be >>>>>> around $900 for a corporate non-member (a business entity that is >>>>>> not a corporate affiliate of NASS). Exhibit booths at the summer >>>>>> conference usually run about $500. >>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> --- To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS >>>>> TC that generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in >>>>> OASIS at: >>>>> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups >>>>> .php >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> --- To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS >>>>> TC that generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in >>>>> OASIS at: >>>>> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups >>>>> .php >> -- Laurent Liscia, Executive Director OASIS: Advancing open standards for the information society 1-978-667-5115, extension 201 Take a tour of OASIS at: http://www.oasis-open.org/home/tour.php
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