Re: [odf-adoption] Interop camp example

[donald_harbison@us.ibm.com]

Charles:

IBM -          
      4
Sun -          
      4
Google -        
2
KOffice -        
2
Red Hat -        
1
Novell -        
4
SEPT Soltns -        
1
Gravity -        
1
         
      __
         
      19

In all likelihood it could be as many
as 25 - 30 once we get the word out and do more recruiting. In other words
we need a classroom with wifi and video projection, maybe breakout room(s).


/don


Don Harbison
Program Director, IBM ODF Initiative
Business & Technical Strategy
IBM Software Group
tel:1-978-399-7018
Mobile: +1-978-761-0116
email: donald_harbison@us.ibm.com

From:	"Charles-H. Schulz" <charles-h.schulz@arsaperta.com>
To:	"odf-adoption@lists.oasis-open.or" <odf-adoption@lists.oasis-open.org>
Date:	06/27/2007 06:31 PM
Subject:	Re: [odf-adoption] Interop camp example

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Hello Erwin, all,

how many people do you think would attend this event?

best,
Charles.



donald_harbison@us.ibm.com a écrit :
>
> Erwin,
>
> I like your outline below., I recommend we propose this for
> discussion/review/modification to the conference organizers for
> consideration under the September 18th 'Project' day programme. That
> way it removes any confusion/conflict with the mainstream conference.
>
> Comments?
>
> Regards,
>
> Don Harbison
> Program Director, IBM ODF Initiative
> Business & Technical Strategy
> IBM Software Group
> tel:1-978-399-7018
> Mobile: +1-978-761-0116
> email: donald_harbison@us.ibm.com
>
>
>
>
> From:                
 Erwin Tenhumberg <Erwin.Tenhumberg@Sun.COM>
> To:                
 robert_weir@us.ibm.com
> Cc:                
 odf-adoption@lists.oasis-open.org
> Date:                
 06/26/2007 04:42 AM
> Subject:              
   Re: [odf-adoption] Interop camp example
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Hi Rob,
>
> Thanks a lot for your input and your ideas!
>
> I'd like to step back for a second and think about the larger agenda
> of the event first. Here is what I could imagine:
>
>
> 1) Keynote by an ODF adopter about what they expect regarding
>    interoperability / conformance (30 minutes)
>
> 2) Potentially a second 30 minute keynote by another ODF adopter
>    (30 minutes)
>
> 3) 10 minute presentations by the different ODF implementors who
>    came to the event about how much of ODF they implemented,
>    how they did it and what major problems they ran into
>    (about 1 hour and 30 minutes)
>
> 4) Lunch (1 hour)
>
> 5) Workshop / discussion / brainstorming / life testing of the
>    issues mentioned during the first presentations (3 hours)
>
> 6) A session for anybody interested in implementing ODF and
>    wants to learn from the experts how to do it, e.g. it
could
>    be a panel where the newbies ask the experts. (1 hour)
>
>
> Focusing on word processing might make sense because it might be
> the area where we can achieve a critical mass most easily.
> However, we could also first just ask the different companies and
> projects who will come and then decide if we want to add other
> aspects as well. For example, if Google and KOffice send
> spreadsheet guys, we could add spreadsheets to the agenda.
>
>
> Max Odendahl from Odendahl SEPT-Solutions who created Mobile
> Office from Symbian already expressed interest in coming to the
> event. I haven't heard back from Softmaker, yet.
>
>
> I guess topics 1) to 5) would be useful for any vendor interested
> in implementing ODF, but I think we should encourage them to
> be remain in a "listening only" / consuming mode for the
first
> parts in order not to distract the interop discussions. Then in
> session 6) all the newbies would get a chance to ask all the
> questions they collected during the day. Invitations could be
> sent to CMS, DMS, SOA, etc. vendors.
>
>
> Anyway, in the end the key players for ths workshop are the
> experts specifying ODF and implementing ODF. Thus, it might
> make sense to move this discussion to the main line TC or
> at least to include the main line TC.
>
> I myself like to attend the event and am willing to help with the
> setup, but I probably would not be a key player at the event myself.
>
>
> All the best,
> Erwin
>
>
>
> robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote:
> >
> > A few words to explain what I was proposing for an interoperability
> camp.
> >
> > I was thinking we could concentrate on word processor format
> > interoperability, since we're more likely to get a critical mass
of
> > participants if we focus.  The idea would be to get those
who knew the
> > internals of their word process and came with the source code
and the
> > ability to prototype changes during the camp.   So we want
the coders.
> >
> > In advance of the camp, we would send out PDF files illustrating
some
> > sample documents.  In advance of the camp, each vendor would
attempt to
> > replicate that document to the best of their application's abilities.
> >  They would then save the document in ODF format.
> >
> > An example document might be to replicate the first page of this
PDF:
> >
>  https://www.socialsecurity.be/foreign/en/employer_limosa/infos/documents/pdf/act_mb_28122006.pdf
>
> >
> >
> > This is an example of Belgian statute format, where the text
is
> given in
> > parallel translation.  To get the proper alignment would
require
> > probably the use of tables with hidden borders.  There are
also some
> > challenging aspects of getting the numbered lists and list levels
> correct .
> >
> > When we send out the PDF we would also provide some annotations
to
> > explain some finer points of the document that might otherwise
be
> > overlooked, like the use of em-dahes and en-dashes in the page
header.
> >
> > Depending on the complexity, we might have 5 or so documents
that we do
> > in this way, each one emphasizing different practical issues
concerning
> > interoperability.
> >
> > We would collect the ODF's from each vendor in advance of the
camp, and
> > distribute them to everyone at the camp, or a few days in advance.
 So
> > if we have 5 vendors, then everyone would have 5 different ODF
versions
> > of each document.
> >
> > And what do we do at the camp?  Say we have 5 vendors and
5 target
> > documents.  That gives each vendor 20 documents to try loading,
giving
> > 100 different interoperability tests we can perform.  How
do we handle
> > this?  One way would be to set aside an hour for each document
and have
> > each vendor take a turn first explaining any issues they had
in
> creating
> > the document originally, and then they could load each other
vendor's
> > version of that document, and the group could note what new
> problems, if
> > any, show up.  If each vendor can be projecting their application
on
> the
> > screen while doing this, we can all look and observe together,
and do
> > this efficiently.
> >
> > We would then want to reserve some time for coding, and some
time at
> the
> > end for vendors to demonstrate any fixes, and some time to discuss
next
> > steps.
> >
> > As you can see, this is going to be time consuming.  So
maybe we would
> > only be able to do 2-3 test documents?
> >
> > -Rob
> > ___________________________
> >
> > Rob Weir
> > Software Architect
> > Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software
> > IBM Software Group
> >
> > email: robert_weir@us.ibm.com
> > phone: 1-978-399-7122
> > blog: http://www.robweir.com/blog/
>
>


-- 
Charles-H. Schulz,
Associé / Associate
Ars Aperta.