RE: [odf-adoption] XML 2007

["Dee Schur" <dee.schur@oasis-open.org>]

I fixed your email problem and forwarded your remarks to the group.
Best,
Dee

Dee Schur
OASIS Member Support
www.oasis-open.org
dee.schur@oasis-open.org


-----Original Message-----
From: Jean-Marie Gouarné [mailto:jean-marie.gouarne@arsaperta.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 7:51 AM
To: Dee Schur
Subject: Re: [odf-adoption] XML 2007

Hi Dee,

<note>
I send you this message individually because for some reason I get a failure

notice each time I post a message to odf-adoption@lists.oasis-open.org,
while 
I'm a subscriber of the list
</note>

I agree with Rob, creating a document in KOffice or Lotus Symphony and then 
opening it in OpenOffice, MS Office or anything else is not very exciting
for 
a demo (and it's sometimes risky).

I suggest interop demos in 3 possible other areas:

1) ODF automatic report generation in business intelligence applications (BI

reporting was a very dynamic marketplace for years, and open source
solutions 
such as BIRT, Jasper Reports, etc, are now rocketing beside the old 
proprietary software). ODF (with appropriate XML report templates and APIs) 
should be actively promoted as a well suited format for general purpose 
reports;

2) document management (tagging, indexing, full text or metadata-based 
searching);

3) automatic document processing by back-office business applications (ex: 
enterprise database feeding from ordinary business documents, document-based

process management).

--
Le mercredi 26 septembre 2007, Dee Schur a écrit :
> Hey Rob,
>
> Well, we've done all kinds of things with InterOps. With one standard,
each
> vendor was a part of a book store supply chain. Another InterOp, each
> vendor was a group of financial institutions exchanging secure access to a
> record, etc.
>
> Imagine that each InterOp participant is a branch of a large company (an
> enterprise), these branches use different document formats to exchange
> data; plus most enterprises have historical records (archives). This may
be
> too ambitious but can we think of a scenario where we can successfully
> fetch, exchange, create and store a document? What about an employment
> record starting with an application, add resume, interviewer comments,
hire
> contract, personnel, benefits, etc.  Many branches do touch this type of
> document, no?
>
> This may be way off and I know Mary will have a better idea but you must
> think like the end-user (obviously) with overwhelming document management
> issues. Does this help at all?
>
> The sooner we come up with something the better.
>
> Regards,
>
> d
>
> Dee Schur
> OASIS Member Support
> www.oasis-open.org
> dee.schur@oasis-open.org
>
> Register now for the Open Standards Forum:
> "Enabling Transformational Government Through Web Services and SOA"
> 29-30 Oct 2007  *  London
> http://events.oasis-open.org/home/forum/2007
>
>   _____
>
> From: robert_weir@us.ibm.com [mailto:robert_weir@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:44 PM
> To: Dee Schur
> Cc: 'Dee Schur'; odf-adoption@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [odf-adoption] XML 2007
>
> Hi Dee,
>
> I read over the OASIS policy document for official InterOp Demo's.  What
we
> had in Barcelona was less formal, and more in lines with what that
document
> describes when it says:
>
> "OASIS recognizes that some TCs find value in internally testing
> specifications through non-promotional, informal, proof-of-concept
> activities (plug fests, etc.). The results of these activities are
> primarily intended to benefit further specification development."
>
> I think there is great value in having future such "non-promotional,
> informal" type interop workshops,but I can also see the value of a more
> formal event.
>
> In Barcelona, although the conference was formally an OpenOffice.org
> conference,a good deal of the material covered would not have been out of
> place in an ODF-focused conference.  Scanning over the program, I count 15
> presentations that would have worked well in that kind of context. So
> something we might consider, given a longer planning cycle, is whether we
> want to have an ODF conference next year? I think we could line up enough
> speakers to have a 2-day 2-track conference entirely on ODF.
>
> But back to XML 2007...   I'm trying to imagine what an interesting
InterOp
> demo would look like. Any ideas? Certainly creating a document in KOffice
> or Lotus Symphony and then opening it in OpenOffice or MS Office would be
> underwhelming. Although this is a basic, key operation that will be
> repeated billions of time, it doesn't make a compelling demo.
>
> Maybe I'm getting caught upon the word "interop"? What kinds of things
have
> other such events dealt with?  Is this typically an hour demo?  Or are we
> looking for a series of demos spanning a half day?
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
> ___________________________
>
> Rob Weir
> Software Architect
> Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software
> IBM Software Group
>
> email: robert_weir@us.ibm.com
> phone: 1-978-399-7122
> blog:  <http://www.robweir.com/blog/> http://www.robweir.com/blog/
>
> "Dee Schur" <dee.schur@oasis-open.org> wrote on 09/26/2007 11:47:25 AM:
> > Any feedback here? Should I reach out to the ODF TC?
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Dee Schur
> > OASIS Member Support
> > www.oasis-open.org
> > dee.schur@oasis-open.org
> >
> > Register now for the Open Standards Forum:
> > "Enabling Transformational Government Through Web Services and SOA"
> > 29-30 Oct 2007  *  London
> >  <http://events.oasis-open.org/home/forum/2007>
>
> http://events.oasis-open.org/home/forum/2007
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dee Schur [ <mailto:dee.schur@oasis-open.org>
>
> mailto:dee.schur@oasis-open.org]
>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:29 AM
> > To: odf-adoption@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Cc: dee.schur@oasis-open.org
> > Subject: [odf-adoption] XML 2007
> > Importance: High
> >
> > Hi,
> > I spoke with the XML 2007,
> >  <http://2007.xmlconference.org/public/content/home>
>
> http://2007.xmlconference.org/public/content/home, organizer this morning
>
> > regarding an OASIS ODF InterOp Demonstration <see Policy document for
> > participation:  <http://www.oasis-open.org/who/interop_demo_policy.php>
>
> http://www.oasis-open.org/who/interop_demo_policy.php> which
>
> > we discussed on the call this morning.
> > She was intrigued but needed a better description (abstract) to take to
> > management to make a determination regarding our participation. I think
>
> this
>
> > is a great opportunity for all participants but it will be different
than
> > the ODF Camp. It will be incumbent on the participants to identify and
>
> agree
>
> > on a scenario (the more straight forward the better in my opinion) that
> > would be compelling for the attendees of this conference. Participation
> > is open to all OASIS members and we often gain membership with these
> > opportunities. We require membership (of course we have many options) to
> > insure fairness and to preserve a non-commercial 'feel' to these events.
> > I will be responsible for all logistics and will quickly create an
> > InterOp email list to be used by participants.
> > First, we need to decide if we move forward very quickly? Then we must
>
> send
>
> > Georgia an abstract as soon as possible as they are in the middle of
>
> fixing
>
> > the programme.
> > Please send your feedback, questions or concerns ASAP.
> > Best regards,
> > Dee