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Subject: RE: [odf-adoption] XML 2007



OK.  So we do have these pieces:
  1. A full desktop ODF editor on Windows (say OpenOffice)
  2. A full desktop ODF editor on Linux (say KOffice)
  3. An ODF viewer for a mobile phone (say SEPT Solutions)
  4. A ODF editor that is fully accessible for screen readers (Say Lotus Symphony)
  5. A variety of programmatic API's in Perl or Python that can manipulate ODF documents

If we take these pieces we can do something interesting.  For example:
  1. Start with a document template with the shell of a document
  2. With a simple script, fill in the document by running a script that fills in the blanks by querying the web, maybe looking up stock quotes, movie listings, eBay auctions, whatever.
  3. Display the resulting document in Windows, make some editing changes
  4. Send edited document to Linux, have them view and add changes
  5. Send to user with screen reader who makes final approval
  6. Send it to cell phone so ultimate consumer (maybe field sales person) of the document has immediate access to it

Obviously, we would need a more compelling business "story" around what this is,but that is a general idea of the pieces that could be brought together without too much difficulty. In steps #1 & #2 you could alternatively demonstrate an interope with DITA or DocBook,

With overview slides and Q&A, this sounds like a 90 minute session, possibly doable in 60 minutes if we need to,

Would this be in line with the typical OASIS Interop demo?  Note that SEPT Solutions (company with the Symbian ODF viewer) is not an OASIS member. I don't know if that is a problem.

-Rob
___________________________

Rob Weir
Software Architect
Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software
IBM Software Group

email: robert_weir@us.ibm.com
phone: 1-978-399-7122
blog:
http://www.robweir.com/blog/

Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com> wrote on 09/26/2007 05:51:47 PM:

> I was very excited about the Lotus Symphony announcement and
> downloaded it the other day and installed it yesterday. I tried to
> use it today – my system started misbehaving so I uninstalled. It’s
> beta and I’m running Vista so even the slightest thing could cause a
> problem ;-)  I’m anxious to get started using Symphony as it seems
> more like a “product” to me – polished UI, lots of info on a website
> geared towards an end user rather than a developer, that kind of
> thing. I think particularly being able to show off some of the
> accessibility stuff would be a great idea. While I’ve only used
> OpenOffice, I’m guessing each application based on ODF has its
> strengths and weaknesses (and hopefully they’re not all the same).
> Playing to the strengths – that is, showing functionality A in tool
> A, functionality B in tool B, etc. shows how most users really work.
> We use the tool best suited to the task at hand (hopefully). Is
> there some functionality that each vendor can say it excels at, and
> then build the demo around those strengths? I wish I had more direct
> experience with each of the different products to come up with some
> other suggestions …

>  
> Mary
>  
> From: Dee Schur [mailto:dee.schur@oasis-open.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:32 PM
> To: robert_weir@us.ibm.com
> Cc: odf-adoption@lists.oasis-open.org; mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org;
> 'Carol Geyer'
> Subject: RE: [odf-adoption] XML 2007

>  
> Hey Rob,
>  
> Well, we’ve done all kinds of things with InterOps. With one
> standard, each vendor was a part of a book store supply chain.
> Another InterOp, each vendor was a group of financial institutions
> exchanging secure access to a record, etc.

>  
> Imagine that each InterOp participant is a branch of a large company
> (an enterprise), these branches use different document formats to
> exchange data; plus most enterprises have historical records
> (archives). This may be too ambitious but can we think of a scenario
> where we can successfully fetch, exchange, create and store a
> document? What about an employment record starting with an
> application, add resume, interviewer comments, hire contract,
> personnel, benefits, etc.  Many branches do touch this type of document, no?

>  
> This may be way off and I know Mary will have a better idea but you
> must think like the end-user (obviously) with overwhelming document
> management issues. Does this help at all?

> The sooner we come up with something the better.
> Regards,
> d
>  
>  
> Dee Schur
> OASIS Member Support
>
www.oasis-open.org
> dee.schur@oasis-open.org
>
> Register now for the Open Standards Forum:
> "Enabling Transformational Government Through Web Services and SOA"
> 29-30 Oct 2007  *  London
>
http://events.oasis-open.org/home/forum/2007
>
> From: robert_weir@us.ibm.com [
mailto:robert_weir@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:44 PM
> To: Dee Schur
> Cc: 'Dee Schur'; odf-adoption@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [odf-adoption] XML 2007

>  
>
> Hi Dee,
>
> I read over the OASIS policy document for official InterOp Demo's.  
> What we had in Barcelona was less formal, and more in lines with
> what that document describes when it says:
>
> "OASIS recognizes that some TCs find value in internally testing
> specifications through non-promotional, informal, proof-of-concept
> activities (plug fests, etc.). The results of these activities are
> primarily intended to benefit further specification development."
>
> I think there is great value in having future such "non-promotional,
> informal" type interop workshops,but I can also see the value of a
> more formal event.
>
> In Barcelona, although the conference was formally an OpenOffice.org
> conference,a good deal of the material covered would not have been
> out of place in an ODF-focused conference.  Scanning over the
> program, I count 15 presentations that would have worked well in
> that kind of context. So something we might consider, given a longer
> planning cycle, is whether we want to have an ODF conference next
> year? I think we could line up enough speakers to have a 2-day 2-
> track conference entirely on ODF.
>
> But back to XML 2007...   I'm trying to imagine what an interesting
> InterOp demo would look like. Any ideas? Certainly creating a
> document in KOffice or Lotus Symphony and then opening it in
> OpenOffice or MS Office would be underwhelming. Although this is a
> basic, key operation that will be repeated billions of time, it
> doesn't make a compelling demo.
>
> Maybe I'm getting caught upon the word "interop"? What kinds of
> things have other such events dealt with?  Is this typically an hour
> demo?  Or are we looking for a series of demos spanning a half day?
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
> ___________________________
>
> Rob Weir
> Software Architect
> Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software
> IBM Software Group
>
> email: robert_weir@us.ibm.com
> phone: 1-978-399-7122
> blog:
http://www.robweir.com/blog/
>
> "Dee Schur" <dee.schur@oasis-open.org> wrote on 09/26/2007 11:47:25 AM:
>
> > Any feedback here? Should I reach out to the ODF TC?
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Dee Schur
> > OASIS Member Support
> >
www.oasis-open.org
> > dee.schur@oasis-open.org
> >
> > Register now for the Open Standards Forum:
> > "Enabling Transformational Government Through Web Services and SOA"
> > 29-30 Oct 2007  *  London
> >
http://events.oasis-open.org/home/forum/2007
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dee Schur [
mailto:dee.schur@oasis-open.org]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:29 AM
> > To: odf-adoption@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Cc: dee.schur@oasis-open.org
> > Subject: [odf-adoption] XML 2007
> > Importance: High
> >
> > Hi,
> > I spoke with the XML 2007,
> >
http://2007.xmlconference.org/public/content/home, organizer this morning
> > regarding an OASIS ODF InterOp Demonstration <see Policy document for
> > participation:
http://www.oasis-open.org/who/interop_demo_policy.php> which
> > we discussed on the call this morning.
> > She was intrigued but needed a better description (abstract) to take to
> > management to make a determination regarding our participation. I think this
> > is a great opportunity for all participants but it will be different than
> > the ODF Camp. It will be incumbent on the participants to identifyand agree
> > on a scenario (the more straight forward the better in my opinion) that
> > would be compelling for the attendees of this conference. Participation is
> > open to all OASIS members and we often gain membership with these
> > opportunities. We require membership (of course we have many options) to
> > insure fairness and to preserve a non-commercial 'feel' to these events. I
> > will be responsible for all logistics and will quickly create an InterOp
> > email list to be used by participants.
> > First, we need to decide if we move forward very quickly? Then we must send
> > Georgia an abstract as soon as possible as they are in the middle of fixing
> > the programme.
> > Please send your feedback, questions or concerns ASAP.
> > Best regards,
> > Dee
> >
> >


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