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Subject: Re: [office-comment] Schema copyright

Hi Rob

2009/10/8 <robert_weir@us.ibm.com>
"Alex Brown" <alexb@griffinbrown.co.uk> wrote on 10/08/2009 05:23:51 AM:

> Perhaps one way to move forward would be to raise a defect report
> against IS 26300 complaining about the schema licensing? This could be
> tabled for the upcoming WG6 Paris meeting. Then the formal process would
> have to grind through to some solution - it's going to take lawyers,
> rather than us techies, to sort it out so I suspect the impetus of a
> formal process is needed to get action.

However, IS 26300 does not include a standalone schema file.  It only has
blocks of schema fragments inline in the specification, along with
instructions on how the reader may assemble it to form a RNG file. We have
no electronic annex, so you never download an electronic schema file from
ISO for ODF.   So any schema created from the specification would be a
derived work of the ODF Standard, and derived rights are are already
covered under the OASIS Notice.

Sorry I had missed that the current IS26300 doesn't include a standalone schema file.  Then you are absolutely correct.  There is no defect.

The question you need to ask is first: Is the OASIS licence sufficient to
give the kind of derived rights an application would require to extract
and use the schema file?  The OASIS Notice says: "...derivative works that
comment on or otherwise explain it or assist in its implementation may be
prepared, copied, published, and distributed, in whole or in part, without
restriction of any kind, provided that the above copyright notice and this
section are included on all such copies and derivative works."

IMHO using a schema file would fit under the category of assisting in
implementation of the standard.

Second, if you believe that the ISO licence takes away rights you have
from the OASIS licence then you need to bring this up with ITTF.  I don't
see anything that we on the ODF TC can do to help you there.  Remember,
even if we took the copyright declaration out of the inline schema
fragment, the copyright still exists.  So no text change on the ODF side
can help you if ISO is just going to slap a closed licence on it upon

Note however that in ODF 1.2 we do intend to publish the schema file
standalone, as an electronic file.  In that case we'll take a look to see
if the entire Notice can go into the RNG file itself as a comment.

Yes.  This is really what I was getting at.




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