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Subject: Re: [office] Possible teleconference with Burton


Duane,

Yes, I was aware of that, although not from the MS news release.

It is problematic because the mapping is not part of the standard. You 
and I may reach different conclusions about what parts of the binary 
maps to what part of DIS 29500 and there is no standard to which we can 
conform. Granted, the results of an open source project could be turned 
into a standard and most likely will be.

Question: What is the purpose of an open source project when a vendor, 
in this case Microsoft, obviously already has such a mapping in place to 
convert from legacy files to OpenXML?

I want Microsoft to have the credit, I would just like for it to be 
credit for having such a mapping in DIS 29500.

Hope you are having a great day!

Patrick

PS: And no, I am not one of those who want to simply bash Microsoft 
about OpenXML. I think the recent activity by TC 45 to produce all the 
answers in ISO was quite remarkable, despite the fact that I continue to 
disagree with some of the resolutions. That does not take anything way 
from TC 45 and its members for having done a quite remarkable job.

Duane Nickull wrote:
> Patrick:
>
> They have funded an open source project to do this.
>
> "Microsoft officials separately announced that they will start a project on
> open source development site SourceForge.net next month to produce tools to
> convert files in Office's binary formats--.doc, .xls, .ppt, etc.  directly
> into OOXML."
>
> Credit where credit due.
>
> Duane
>
>
>
>
> On 1/21/08 10:25 AM, "Patrick Durusau" <patrick@durusau.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> Carol,
>>
>> I created a login so I could download and read the origin report.
>>
>> I find it deeply amusing that the author of the report did not seem to
>> notice that OOXML does not define a mapping from legacy files to its XML
>> format. Hmmm, I guess that means that "...everyone [will do] what right
>> in his own eyes. Judges 21:25 In other words, there will be no one DOCX
>> representation of Word 97 files but as many as people who decide to
>> write mappings from Word 97 to DOCX. Some of them will be pretty close
>> to each other but without a "standard" I rather doubt they are all going
>> to be the same.
>>
>> Hope you are having a great day!
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Carol Geyer wrote:
>>     
>>> OASIS has been in contact with Burton Group concerning their report, "What's
>>> Up
>>> Doc?"--as has IBM, ODF Alliance, Sun, and others.
>>>
>>> As a result, Burton analyst, Guy Creese, has published a blog post entitled,
>>> "Some Counterpoint to Our ODF/OOXML Report."
>>> (http://ccsblog.burtongroup.com/collaboration_and_content/2008/01/counterpoin
>>> t-
>>> to.html). Creese notes that Burton plans to update the report in the next
>>> quarter "...with an eye to (1) accepting or rebutting arguments made by
>>> others,
>>> (2) taking into account the result of the ISO vote, and (3) clarifying points
>>> that people misunderstood or misinterpreted."
>>>
>>> Since that update would be several months away, Burton has also agreed to
>>> participate in a public teleconference with OASIS to discuss errors,
>>> allegations, and bias in their report.
>>>
>>> I am working now to schedule this teleconference, which will likely take
>>> place
>>> the week of 4 Feb. I'll send more details soon.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Carol
>>>
>>> _________________________________
>>> Carol Geyer
>>> Director of Communications
>>> OASIS
>>> +1.978.667.5115 x209
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
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-- 
Patrick Durusau
patrick@durusau.net
Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34
Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps)
Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300
Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps)



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