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Subject: Re: [office] already accepted paragraph property style:join-border
Florian, Florian Reuter wrote: > Hi Patrick, > > interresting idea. > > But I see a problem here ;-) > > What if you have a paragraph with a boder and 1.5 line height (style P1) and the next paragraph with a border and 1.0 line height (style P2). > In ODF you get > <p style="P1">ABC</p> > <p style="P2">DEF</p> > But you still want a border around them.... > > Make sense? > > So, despite the different in line spacing between the two paragraph you still want a border? Yes? I imagine the more likely case to be where the paragraph have different margins, that is quite common where a long passage is quoted and the quoted material is indented further than a "regular" paragraph to set it off from the regular flow of text. In that case I assume the paragraph with the wider margins should set the location of the border that is going to surround the two paragraphs. I think of that as being a different issue that your "determining two borders to be the same." I saw that as a computational problem. I do think this is more complicated that simply saying two borders are "the same" and no more. ;-) However, I do think if we think about it we can fashion a way to specify the behavior we want. Hope you are having a great day! Patrick > ~Florian > > > >>>> Patrick Durusau <patrick@durusau.net> 04/25/08 12:21 PM >>> >>>> > Florian, > > Florian Reuter wrote: > >> Hi Oliver, >> >> thanks. >> >> I guess we should also add a definition what "borders are the same mean". I guess its: >> * same line weight. >> * same line type, and >> * same color. >> >> Right? >> >> >> > Wouldn't it be simpler to say that if two borders have the same style > name then they are the same? > > Otherwise we will have to specify characteristics and tests for > comparisons of the same. > > That is certainly doable but I am wondering if it is really necessary. > > Hope you are having a great day! > > Patrick > >> ~Florian >> >> >> >> >>>>> Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems <Oliver-Rainer.Wittmann@Sun.COM> 04/24/08 1:29 PM >>> >>>>> >>>>> >> Dear TC members, >> >> Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems wrote: >> >> >>> Dear TC members, >>> >>> I have recognized that the paragraph property style:join-border, which >>> had been discussed, proposed and accepted in July 2005 - see >>> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200507/msg00002.html, >>> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200507/msg00006.html, >>> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200507/msg00016.html and >>> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200507/msg00022.html - had >>> not made its way into the OpenDocument specification. >>> >>> I strongly propose to include this property in ODF 1.2 >>> >>> Best regards, Oliver. >>> >>> >>> >> I have checked the proposal according action item #0008. >> >> The text of the proposal from Lars Oppermann is >> <quote> >> >> Use the style:join-border property to specify, that a border is to be >> extended around the next paragraph, if it's border is of the same type. >> Borders are joined by default. >> >> <define name="style-paragraph-properties-attlist" combine="interleave"> >> <optional> >> <attribute name="style:join-border"> >> <ref name="boolean"/> >> </attribute> >> </optional> >> </define> >> >> </quote> >> >> From my point of view it is clear what the behavior under the following >> situations is: >> (1) Paragraph A with property style:join-border="true" followed by >> paragraph B with property style:join-border="false". >> (2) Paragraph A with property style:join-border="false" followed by >> paragraph B with property style:join-border="true". >> >> situation (1): >> In case that the borders of both paragraphs are same, the border of >> paragraph A is extended around paragraph B. >> In case that the borders of both paragraphs are not same, the border of >> paragraph A is not extended around paragraph B. >> >> situation (2): >> The border of paragraph A is not extended around paragraph B. >> >> conclusion: >> Property style:join-border of paragraph A and the equality of the >> borders of the adjacent paragraphs decide, if the border of paragraph A >> is extended or not around paragraph B. >> Thus, from my side no change is needed at the proposal text. >> >> But in spite of that I want to improve the proposal text. >> Please consider the following change: >> "..., if it's border is of same type." should be changed into "..., if >> the borders of both paragraphs are the same." >> >> >> Best regards, Oliver. >> >> >> > > -- Patrick Durusau patrick@durusau.net Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps)
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