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Subject: Re: [office-formula] BITAND - Normative Statements

Hi Dennis,

you are right that the OpenFormula specification has not been adapted to 
the latest template, but we must consider here that Patrick has only 
started with edits.

We further should not mix issues. Patrick asked about the conformance 
target for BITAND. That questions has been answered.

The fact that the conformance clauses have not been adapted to the 
latest OASIS requirements is a different issue. It is in not related to 
BITAND only, but it should be sufficient to know the names of the 
conformance target to find the correct language for BITAND.

Best regards


Am 10.12.09 21:38, Dennis E. Hamilton schrieb:
> [cc: to main list because this matters very much there too.]
> Andreas, 
> It is my understanding that neither statement satisfies the OASIS guidelines
> for conformance and normative statements.
> That is, unless "implementation" is an identified conformance target in the
> Conformance section of the specification.  (Apparently, "implementation"
> does not imply "conformant implementation" in OASIS parlance, and
> "conformant implementation" is not a conformance target unless such is
> defined in the conformance section.) 
> I don't believe that is the case at this time.  Now, it is also the case
> that the ODF 1.2 draft has not been moved to the latest template with
> inclusion of a conformance section that's been reviewed to satisfy the
> current OASIS guidelines.
> For those who are curious what that entails, I recommend review of the
> following document:
> <http://docs.oasis-open.org/templates/TCHandbook/ConformanceGuidelines.html>
> .  Perhaps the most important part of the guideline document is the
> checklist in the final section.  For me, this makes the intent and the
> satisfaction of that intent very clear.  The examples and then the
> nomenclature differences between normative statements, conformance clauses,
> and conformance targets can be explored for deeper understanding.
> The Conformance Guidelines are referenced directly from the 2009-10-28 OASIS
> Templates and Guidelines page, <http://docs.oasis-open.org/templates/>,
> directly from the OASIS Specification QA Checklist,
> <http://docs.oasis-open.org/templates/QAChecklistV2.html> at the end, and
> indirectly in the OASIS Technical Committee Process that went into effect on
> 2009-09-01, <http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/process.php> second
> paragraph of section 2.18 and of material importance in the definition of
> "Statement of Use" in Section 1 item (ai).
>  - Dennis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andreas J Guelzow [mailto:aguelzow@math.concordia.ab.ca] 
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office-formula/200912/msg00059.html
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:17
> To: office-formula@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [office-formula] BITAND
> On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 11:04 -0800, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office-formula/200912/msg00058.html
>> (In this regard, I
>> emphatically disagree with the PS in the note from Andreas, and I believe
>> the OASIS conformance guidelines are also in conflict with that PS.)
> Dennis,
> could you explain to me what you see as the difference between the
> following two statements (in the context of the OpenFormula
> specification):
> 1) To comply with this specification, an implementation *shall* support
> parameters of at least 48 bits.
> 2) An implementation *shall* support parameters of at least 48 bits.
> Andreas

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