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Subject: RE: [oic] application scenario The Hague
On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 15:23 +0200, Hanssens Bart wrote: > So uhm, more or less "behavior" ? > > Most behaviour should really fall outside of the file format requirements. If you expect the same behaviour in all things, how would implementations really differ from each other?! Andreas > > -----Original Message----- > From: robert_weir@us.ibm.com [mailto:robert_weir@us.ibm.com] > Sent: woensdag 3 juni 2009 15:06 > To: dennis.hamilton@acm.org > Cc: Hanssens Bart; michiel@nlnet.nl; oic@lists.oasis-open.org; Stephen.Peront@microsoft.com > Subject: RE: [oic] application scenario The Hague > > I was thinking that "dynamic" would encompass runtime behaviors beyond > mere presentation. So how a user may interact with the document. Links > would be one example. Formula recalculation would be another. Ability to > re-edit charts would be another. Activating OLE embeddings would be > another. > > -Rob > > "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote on 06/02/2009 > 07:02:05 PM: > > > From: > > > > "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> > > > > To: > > > > <robert_weir@us.ibm.com>, "'Hanssens Bart'" <Bart.Hanssens@fedict.be> > > > > Cc: > > > > <michiel@nlnet.nl>, <oic@lists.oasis-open.org>, > <Stephen.Peront@microsoft.com> > > > > Date: > > > > 06/02/2009 07:05 PM > > > > Subject: > > > > RE: [oic] application scenario The Hague > > > > Rob, > > > > I like the sense of this. > > > > I'm not sure I understand the "dynamic" of dynamic equivalence, but > another > > case, at least for text documents, is also preservation of links - > > cross-references in the document and also cross-references from the > table of > > contents to the respective locations in the document. There's also the > > matter of preservation of appropriate connections when pagination of the > > document is different for the consumer than the original producer. > > > > Is this the kind of thing that goes in that category? > > > > - Dennis > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: robert_weir@us.ibm.com [mailto:robert_weir@us.ibm.com] > > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 17:13 > > To: Hanssens Bart > > Cc: michiel@nlnet.nl; oic@lists.oasis-open.org; > Stephen.Peront@microsoft.com > > Subject: Re: [oic] application scenario The Hague > > > > Hi Bart, > > > > What you have there is similar to how I was thinking of an application > > scenario. The only thing I would add is some sort of testing criteria. > > Obviously not every application is going to render these steps > > identically, at the pixel level. Similarly, when a document is > exchanged > > between two applications, it will not appear identically, at the pixel > > level. So what defines successful interoperability? We don't need to > > answer this completely, but we can probably have a section that lists a > > few items to check. Could even be done as test assertions, but that > might > > be overkill. > > > > But perhaps something like: > > > > 1) Content equivalence -- no text is lost > > 2) Structural equivalence - headers, footers, tables, are preserved as > > headers, footers, etc. > > 3) Dynamic equivalence - style names are preserved, live field names > > remain live > > 4) Presentation equivalence - page size, margins, font sizes and styles, > > > etc., preserved > > > > For spreadsheet, I do have the test cases from the Beijing workshop. I > > think we can can make useful progress with those, since we're very close > > > already, from the formula calculation perspective. > > > > And remember, we have the Shah/Kesan test documents as well, which are > > self-describing. Maybe if converted into PDF, they can be used as > > examples for people to replicate in their own implementation. > > > > But we should note that the more complicated the scenario, the more > > important it is for us to get these to attendees in advance of the > > workshop, so they can prepare. In fact, I think we need this all ready > by > > the end of this week -- June 5th. > > > > Regards, > > > > -Rob > > > > Hanssens Bart <Bart.Hanssens@fedict.be> wrote on 05/27/2009 05:21:40 PM: > > > > > > > > Hi Rob, Stephen, > > > > > > > > > by any chance, did you guys had the time to take a look at this > > > scenario that can perhaps be used in The Hague ? > > > > > > Stephen, is it more or less in line with what you're working on, or > > > would you have something else in mind ? > > > IIRC Rob, during the last call you mentioned reusing some of the > > > spreadsheet tests ? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Bart > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > I've submitted a proposal for an "application scenario" that could > > > be used in The Hague interop event. > > > > > > > > > It consists of: > > > > > > - oic-expensesheet.html, a description on how to create such an > expense > > sheet > > > > > > - oic-expensesheet-example-ooo31.odt, an _example_ created in > > > OpenOffice.org 3.1 (so this isn't necessarily _the_ "correct" > > > version or something, just _a_ version) > > > > > > - a PDF-version of this document, for viewing purposes > > > > > > > > > So, it should be possible to (re)create the expense sheet in various > > > other ODF-capable products, compare them, toss them around in other > > > products etc to see how interoperable this is... > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Bart > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: workgroup_mailer@lists.oasis-open.org [ > > > mailto:workgroup_mailer@lists.oasis-open.org] > > > Sent: maandag 25 mei 2009 11:46 > > > To: oic@lists.oasis-open.org > > > Subject: [oic] Version Control Commit by bart.hanssens > > > > > > Author: bart.hanssens > > > Date: 2009-05-25 05:46:17 -0400 (Mon, 25 May 2009) > > > New Revision: 90 > > > Web View: http://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/ > > > oic/?rev=90&sc=1 > > > > > > Added: > > > AppScenarios/ > > > AppScenarios/branches/ > > > AppScenarios/branches/TheHague/ > > > AppScenarios/branches/TheHague/appscenarios/ > > > AppScenarios/branches/TheHague/appscenarios/layout.css > > > AppScenarios/branches/TheHague/appscenarios/oic-expensesheet- > > > example-ooo31.odt > > > AppScenarios/branches/TheHague/appscenarios/oic-expensesheet- > > > example-ooo31.pdf > > > AppScenarios/branches/TheHague/appscenarios/oic-expensesheet.html > > > AppScenarios/tags/ > > > AppScenarios/trunk/ > > > Log: > > > - added expense sheet application scenario for The Hague interop event > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > > > generates this mail. 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Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php -- Andreas J. Guelzow Concordia University College of Alberta
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