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Subject: OIC TC 2011-03-09 Meeting Minutes
OIC COORDINATION CALL
Date: Wednesday 9 March 2011
Time: 14:30 - 15:30 UT
PLEASE NOTE: The next call is scheduled for 2011-03-23 at 1430 GMT. In North America where Daylight Savings Time will have started, the corresponding local time is one hour later than usual. This is a temporary adjustment for this date only. (See 6, below.)
1. LOGISTICS
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The chat room: <http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/oic>
(doesn't count for attendance)
The call-in numbers:
<https://www.teleconference.att.com/servlet/glbAccess?process=1&accessCode=84367726&accessNumber=2158616239>
Meeting agendas also provide the pass codes and the commonly-used call-in numbers:
<http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/201102/msg00001.html>
The action items (log-in required):
<http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/oic/members/action_items.php>
1.1 ROLL CALL AND QUORUM CHECK
8 of 10 Voting members attended, satisfying the 6 of 10 requirement for a quorum.
MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE
* Bart Hanssens, Fedict (Chair)
* Don Harbison, IBM
* Mingfei Jia, IBM
* Robert Weir, IBM
* Dennis Hamilton, Individual (Secretary)
* Louis Suarez-Potts, Individual
* Cherie Ekholm, Microsoft
* Bernd Eilers, Oracle Corporation
= Svante Schubert, Oracle Corporation
[* = Voting Member at start of meeting (8)
+ = becoming Voting Member at conclusion of meeting (0)
= = Persistent Non-Voting Member (1)]
MEMBERS ABSENT
Charles Schulz, Ars Aperta
Alex Wang, Beijing Sursen International
Jeremy Allison, Google Inc.
- Andreas Guelzow, Individual
Peter Junge, Individual
Doug Mahugh, Microsoft
Eric Patterson, Microsoft
Kazmer Koleszar, MultiRacio
Alan Clark, Novell
= Michael Brauer, Oracle Corporation
Daniel Rentz, Oracle Corporation
* Andrew Rist, Oracle Corporation
Tom Rabon, Red Hat
Jerry Smith, US Department of Defense
[* = Voting Member at start and end of meeting (1)
- = Voting Member becoming non-voting Member at end of meeting (1)
= = Persistent Non-Voting Member (1)]
1.2 ACCEPTANCE OF PREVIOUS MEETING MINUTES
Minutes for the 2011-02-09 Meeting, accepted without objection <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/201102/msg00003.html>
1.3 ACCEPTANCE OF TODAY'S AGENDA: accepted without objection <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/201103/msg00001.html >,
we took up item 6 first to ensure that Future Meeting planning was covered.
2. STATUS OF ACTION ITEMS
#0015 Template Scenarios. Dennis reports that he has resumed work on this item; no material is available yet.
#0026 Test Scenarios. Item Closed. Cherie reports that the license has been updated and the Microsoft-packaged scenario documents are available for download from a Microsoft site. The documents were available for the Plugfest and are available for any further Plugfest use. Cherie remarked that there might be further documents and contribution to OIC upon their being more community contribution in this area.
#0033 Best Practices for Document Authors. Rob is going to put something on the Wiki and invite review and contributions to this effort: <http://wiki.oasis-open.org/oic/EndUser>
#0034 Interop Demo Videos. Louis can continue this work and Bart will provide the DVDs to him. There was a question about where any videos from the Budapest Plugfest (ODF 1.2 Interop Demo) might be found. No one is sure.
#0041 Battery of ODF 1.2 Assessment Documents. No progress on that yet.
3. DELIVERABLES
3.1 Microsoft ODF test documents, <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/201102/msg00006.html>
There was no further discussion of this beyond the resolution and closing of Action Item #0026.
3.2 Other ODF 1.2 Test Documents (e.g., OpenFormula, RDF)
Bart wants to see more tests cases on RDF metadata and asked whether there were any documents ready. Svante reminded us that he had taken an action item on this and will submit something on the GRDDL extraction, along with a test document with what there might be as metadata in a document. Extractions can be used for comparison with what is expected. Also, it may be relatively easy to check the derived RDF against an expected result.
Bart also wants to do something on the ODF 1.2 XAdES digital signature support, perhaps in early April. Bart takes an action item to do something on this.
4.REPORT ON ODF PLUGFEST IN THE UK <http://www.odfplugfest.co.uk/>
and <http://plugfest.opendocsociety.org/doku.php?id=plugfests:201102_maidenhead:info>
Bart reported that not much testing was done, although there was much discussion on change-tracking and other topics.
There is a concern, expressed by Bart, that there aren't enough test documents and scenarios available and the testing activity is rather ad hoc, and not much happens with the results.
The presentations from the event are not all available yet, but some are appearing on the OpenDocSociety wiki.
We talked about what it would take for there to be more test documents and scenarios. It makes sense for the OIC TC to be a common source that Plugfest participants could look to, although the OIC TC has no official ties to the Plugfests. Making test documents is provided for in our Charter and having them available under the OASIS IPR rules is beneficial.
With regard to the next Plugfest, the possibility of one in The Netherlands or Germany is being discussed. It would not be in the Summer months, so we are looking at June or possibly September, depending on availability of venue and local arrangements.
5. ROUND TABLE
5.1 Status on ODF 1.2
Rob reported that the ODF TC has requested a ballot for adoption of ODF 1.2 CSD07/PRD03 be adopted as a Committee Specification. [update: the ballot started on 2011-03-10 and concludes on 2011-03-17].
5.2 Discussion of the ODF Specimen Collection, <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/201103/msg00000.html>
Rob's proposal was not for finding edge cases or establishing conformance but obtaining specimens of the same interoperable document features so that one can see the variations that arise among implementations. This is just meant to show variations and not make any assessment.
Rob may start a scenario on the Wiki and we can try it. We think that any work product for delivering a compilation of the variations would be in a Committee Note. Dennis sees this as something that can inform both the State of Interoperabilty and the Best Practices document.
5.3 CeBIT 2011 Hannover Observations
Louis was at CeBIT and saw any exhibits by Content Management companies, including EMC and others. Almost all of them said, yes, they supported ODF.
There was some discussion about what "yes" meant in this context, since it could simply mean that their products will passively carry ODF documents, perhaps launch the appropriate applications, perhaps have integrated viewers and ways to set metadata held in the CM repository.
Whether there is sniffing of documents for metadata, and even extraction of RDF would be another story.
Dennis suggested that a related question is whether ODF consumers and producers have seamless ways to interact with Content Management services so that there is smooth movement of documents in and out of Content and Workflow Management systems (e.g., integration with CM systems via the OASIS CMIS interfaces). [Postscript: Some distributions of OpenOffice.org have attempted to integrate with ODMA-accessible repositories, but Dennis does not know the current status of that. There is also WebDAV integration in some distributions.]
6. FUTURE MEETING PLANNING
The next call is scheduled for 2011-03-23 at 1430 GMT. NOTE - In North America, which will have already begun Daylight Savings Time, the local time is one hour later than usual. This is a temporary adjustment to support availability of the Chair on this particular date. It is possible that this meeting will be cancelled.
Calls after 2011-03-30 will be at 1330 GMT, keeping the same local time for North America and Western Europe as during the Winter period.
Respectfully submitted,
Dennis E. Hamilton, OIC TC Secretary
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