RE: [oic] Advisory 00007 - Table Rows / Table Columns

["Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>]

I checked the ODF 1.0 schema.  It winds all over the place but it is how groups get put inside in various places, including within <table:table-rows>.  Please double-check for me.  I will look again too.  I'll probably have to do some diagramming to have it be certain.

Hmm, in ODF 1.2 it is the opposite of what I said. A <table:table-row-group> has <table:table-rows> children.  The <table:table-rows> is the only way to get <table:table-row>s into a <table:table-row-group> (beside via <table:table-header-rows> in the group.  Also, in ODF 1.2 section 9.1.7 is interesting about all <table:table-header-rows> being repeated on every page, since those can be headers in groups. Note the apparent contradiction in ODF 1.2 9.1.9.  <table:table-row-group>s can have <table:table-header-rows> children, so those headers must be different than ones that "appear as table headers."  

I wonder if I inverted it when eyeballing the ODF 1.0 schema or there is a difference between the ODF 1.0 and ODF 1.2 schemas.  I'll check further later today.

 - Dennis


-----Original Message-----
From: oic@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:oic@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Andreas J. Guelzow
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 22:00
To: oic@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [oic] Advisory 00007 - Table Rows / Table Columns

On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 22:29 -0600, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> I went back to ODF 1.0 to find out what this is about.  I didn't
> figure out how it works for <table:table-columns> but when I looked at
> <table:table-rows> I notice that these groups can have their own
> headers, and they are definitely considered "grouped."

How do you get that these groups can have their own headers?

In ODF 1.0 in 8.2.4 you have: 

A table must not contain more than one
<table:table-header-rows> element, and a <table:table-rows> must not
follow another <table:table-rows> element. The only exception are tables
that contain grouped rows (see 8.2.5). Such tables contain more than one
<table:table-header-rows> element, provided that they are contained in
different row groups and the rows contained in the elements are
adjacent.

Note that the "grouping" of rows does not happen with table:table-rows
but with table:table-row-group.

> 
> Now, in many arrangements with nested groups, it is desirable to
> repeat the group headers for any group that is split across pages.


Which group headers?

Andreas

> 
> I suspect that there is some sort of intended control over how group
> headings are repeated or not.  There is also an interesting situation
> where most of a group is hidden (leaving a heading and a summary line
> for example).  There could also be a widows-orphans control desired in
> such cases too (i.e., whether to do a page break to keep the rows of a
> group together, or not).
> 
> These are all user-related observations.  Whether and how this sort of
> thing was meant to be incorporated in how groups are paginated is not
> evident in an initial pass on the material -- too much tacit
> knowledge, not enough specification.  
> 
> I don't know if there is any way to check against an implementation
> for confirmation of any of this.
> 
>  - Dennis E. Hamilton

-- 
Andreas J. Guelzow, PhD, FTICA
Concordia University College of Alberta


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