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Subject: Re: [oiic-formation-discuss] Group effort

Agreed.  From an outsiders perspective, it would appear that there is 
some political baggage from previous situations at play here.  While I 
would fully expect that politics would enter into a situation like this 
to some degree or other, I am surprised to see it at this level so early 
into the things.

May I suggest that reference to W3C, acid tests etc, may be pertinent 
and possibly good ideas.  But only AFTER we have decided what we are 
doing.  Referring to W3C, using Google Docs to help create an Acid Test, 
these things are IMPLEMENTATION detail for the group.  These are HOW the 
group would accomplish it's goals of testing IIC.  But we haven't even 
defined WHAT we are doing yet, other than a vague idea.

I see this problem all the time in coding projects.  A customer may say 
"We need a web page", and the developers rush out and start throwing 
their pet technologies at it - PHP, RSS feeds, jQuery, etc.  But the 
developers forgot to listen to what the customer wants - they may need a 
static HTML page with a single image on it.  Making all the other effort 
meaningless.  I see this happening right now.

Back to requirements people.  What are we doing?  Why.

I'm hearing complaints about Rob's leadership.  Well, we have a saying 
at the local LUG (I think it originated from Linus Torvalds at one 
point): "Those who DO get to dictate the details".  Rob has proposed an 
approach (one question a day - with regards to filling in the needs for 
a TC Charter).  Rob didn't make up the questions, these are from the 
OASIS requirements.  If you think there is a better way, speak up and/or 
take action.  Slamming someone else's approach without presenting an 
alternative is not productive.  But keep in mind the goal at the moment 
is to form the TC.  Not complete all the work of the TC.

I am seeing references to "IBM's" way, or "Rob's" way.  I don't know 
where the IBM part came from.  Presumably Rob works for IBM.  But I have 
not yet seen anything that says "IBM wants to do XXX", other than in 

So, let's save the politics until AFTER the charter has been completed. 
  We are all here to make sure that charter is fair to everyone.  Lets 
keep it that way.

My thoughts.


RA Schinagl wrote:
> Dear list, 
> in the last few E-mails I noticed the tone of discussion tightening - and I
> don ´t understand why. 
> I think it should be a group effort ! Please tone down a bit. Thank you.
> Regards
> BDHSW Rechtsanwälte
> RA und Fachanwalt für Arbeitsrecht
> Michael SCHINAGL
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Dave Pawson [mailto:dave.pawson@gmail.com] 
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. Juni 2008 19:05
> An: oiic-formation-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org
> Betreff: Re: [oiic-formation-discuss] ODF Interoperability Presentation
> 2008/6/11  <robert_weir@us.ibm.com>:
>> This may be some useful background information, the presentation on 
>> ODF interoperability I gave at the OpenOffice.org conference in 
>> Barcelona last year.
>> It outlines a broad view of interop with ODF, what the challenges are, 
>> and how we can move it forward.
> Does it? The gloss paint is still wet Rob.
> I'm presuming you aren't going to answer my question about how we are going
> to talk in this group, you are simply going to dictate it? Filter our
> comments through your view and write it as you believe it to be?
> With your point per day we'll be nowhere at the end of our 90 days. Or is
> that the intent?
> If anyone else thinks this should be a group effort please acknowledge the
> fact.
> If you are happy with an IBM only view, let Rob continue on his current
> path.
> regards
> --
> Dave Pawson
> http://www.dpawson.co.uk
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