Re: [oiic-formation-discuss] Level of detail needed in a TC Charter

[robert_weir@us.ibm.com]

"Dave Pawson" <dave.pawson@gmail.com>
wrote on 06/14/2008 03:07:15 AM:

> 
> Request please Rob.
> 
> Go back to the people who wrote this fluff and ask them for a
> definition/clarification.
> 

Surely you jest.  Are you saying that you are
unable to understand the meaning of the phrase "the anticipated audience
or users of the work"?  Not everything in the charter is going
to be reduced to the level of Whitehead's Principia Mathematica.  The
consumers of the the charter are people.  We can assume basic facility
with understanding language in context.  

Again, I suggest you take any of the dozens of existing
OASIS TC's and look at their charters for an indication of customary level
of precision and detail.  

> While there it may be politic to see if Michael is right about this
quote
> 
> "What I'm missing a little bit is to provide guidance for implementors.
> Simply speaking, the best way to achieve interoperability between
ODF
> applications is that these application implement as many of ODF as
> possible and reasonable for the specific application, and with as
little
> bugs as possible. Tests are helpful to measure the quality of an
> implementation, but they don't help implementors with the implementation
> itself.
> 
> So far we have suggestion for tests, but we do not have suggestion
how
> we can help implementors in their implementation work.
> 
> It would probably be too simple to just put an "ODF Implementors
> Guidelines" on the list of deliverables, since we don't know
if
> implementors have issues with implementing ODF, and if so where. So,
> preparing guidelines, which is a huge effort, without knowing where
the
> issues are has the risk we are doing something no one needs.
> "
> 
> Is this TC expected to provide guidelines for implementers of ODF
> or guidelines for those implementing tests?
> 

The first "i" in IIC is for
Implementation.  This refers to the implementation of the base standard,
here being ODF.  See for example the ebXML IIC TC (http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ebxml-iic/)
whose charter includes the purpose of deliverying a "A set of reference
implementation guidelines".

So it is within reason to discuss this
as part of an ODF IIC discussion.  

I'm hearing that you don't like the
idea, and Michael likes the idea.  So we continue to discuss.  It
is not the end of the world.

> 
> It is really silly to expect us and the following TC to work in the
dark
> without recourse to the source of our direction. Pure C19.
> 

Source of direction?  The initial proposal was
posted with the Call for Participation, here:  http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oiic-formation-discuss/200806/msg00001.html

The subscribers to that proposal are listed.  Other
than that, the direction of this discussion appears to beyond any single
person's control.

-Rob