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Subject: Re: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
I would be happy to contribute something on SCA Policy.
My feeling though is that it's a bit early and we shd let the spec
settle down a bit.
What was your timeframe for the book?
Ashok
Natale, Bob wrote:
>
>Hi Patrick,
>
>I noticed that your ToC did not include any refs to SCA Policy...are
>you excluding it by design or relegating it to just a part of the "SCA
>Concepts" topic? Personally, I feel that it merits distinct and
>proportionate treatment.
>
>(I'd be happy to contribute material on the topic of "SCA Policy", but
>if others more qualified (from the core SCA Policy team) decided to
>participate, I'd certainly defer to them.)
>
>Cheers,
>BobN
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Patrick Leonard [mailto:Patrick.Leonard@roguewave.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:06 PM
>To: Carsten Röttgers
>Cc: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org;
>opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org; mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com
>Subject: RE: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
>
>My timeline is flexible, but I think it's a good time to start - based
>on presentations that I've made there are real SCA projects starting. I
>don't have a lot of free time (like everyone) but now is as good later.
>
>I'm open to different publication/distribution options. Not trying to
>get rich on this, just to get the info out. But I Rogue Wave may also
>be able to help with working with a publisher - sometimes having a
>corporate sponsor can help. Other means like CC, blog/rss/wiki, e-book
>are worth considering as well. We could also do a serial publication
>(like Stephen King's "The Green Mile"
>http://www.amazon.com/Green-Mile-Stephen-King/dp/0671041789)
>
>I haven't heard of duplex book. I read the link below but I have to
>confess that I didn't quite get it. What does it do and what are the
>benefits?
>
>Mike Edwards expressed interest when he and I talked last year but I
>don't know if he did any writing or if he has availability now. I'm
>copying Mike here.
>
>Best,
>
>Patrick
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Carsten Röttgers [mailto:carsten.roettgers@gmx.net]
>Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 4:19 PM
>To: Patrick Leonard
>Cc: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org;
>opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org
>Subject: AW: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
>
>Patrick,
>
>your toc matches our considerations quite well. We will give you
>feedback and a proposal on our part by end of week.
>
>But before we have further questions:
>* What is your timeline?
>* Would it be an option for you to make the book available for free if
>you will not find a publisher? We discussed this point and would start
>writing irrespectively of having a publisher (but we are quite
>confident to find one). If necessary we would opt to publish under
>creative commons (or sort of).
>* Daniel came up with the idea of a duplex book
>(http://www.martinfowler.com/bliki/DuplexBook.html). Any opinion?
>* You mentioned Mike Edwards has also done some writing. Do you have
>any idea if he is still willing to go on?
>
>Cheers,
>Carsten
>
>
>
>
>>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>Von: Patrick Leonard [mailto:Patrick.Leonard@roguewave.com]
>>Gesendet: Montag, 26. November 2007 18:55
>>An: "Carsten Röttgers"
>>Cc: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org; opencsa-
>>ms@lists.oasis-open.org
>>Betreff: RE: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
>>
>>Carsten,
>>
>>Here is an outline that I put together a while back. I have also
>>written some content that could be used for the background and other
>>parts of Chapter 1.
>>
>>I don't expect that it is complete but may be a good starting point.
>>-----------------------------
>>
>>Service Component Architecture: Book Outline, Patrick Leonard
>>
>>Table of Contents
>>
>>Chapter 1: The Evolution of Service-Oriented Architectures
>>
>> * Background
>> * Evolution of SOA
>> * What is SCA?
>> * Benefits of SCA
>>
>>Chapter: How does SCA work? (an overview)
>>
>> * SCA Concepts
>> * How do I get started?
>>
>>Chapter: Assembly Model
>>
>> * Overview
>> * Components
>> * Implementation
>> * Composite
>> * Interface
>> * System
>> * Binding
>> * Extension Model
>> * Multiple Languages
>>
>>Chapter: Use Cases
>>
>>Chapter: Integrating Existing Systems
>>
>> * Java EE
>> * EJB
>> * C++ and other native languages
>> * Packaged Applications
>> Chapter: Windows Communication Foundation.
>> Chapter: Vendor Offerings
>>
>>Chapter: Futures
>>
>>Chapter: References
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "Carsten Röttgers" [mailto:Carsten.Roettgers@gmx.net]
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 7:45 AM
>>To: Patrick Leonard
>>Cc: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org; opencsa-
>>ms@lists.oasis-open.org
>>Subject: Re: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
>>
>>Timeline for the book? Well, it depends ;-) For instance, it depends
>>on how practical "we" want it to be. But as a rough guess
>>("regardless" of its content in detail and other "circumstances") we
>>would estimate about 1 year from now on. Detailed planning will take
>>place as soon as all contributing authors are determined and we have
>>done an initial outline.
>>
>>Carsten
>>
>>-------- Original-Nachricht --------
>>
>>
>>>Datum: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:00:43 -0700
>>>Von: "Patrick Leonard" <Patrick.Leonard@roguewave.com>
>>>An: "Carsten Röttgers" <Carsten.Roettgers@gmx.net>
>>>CC: opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org, carol.geyer@oasis-open.org,
>>>daniel.pieper@t-online.de
>>>Betreff: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
>>>
>>>
>>>Carsten,
>>>
>>>I have done some writing on background and overview and could also
>>>contribute details on the C++ side of the specs. I could also
>>>
>>>
>>contribute content
>>
>>
>>>for the C++ practical based on tuscany. What is your timeline?
>>>
>>>Patrick
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: "Carsten Röttgers" [mailto:Carsten.Roettgers@gmx.net]
>>>Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 11:08 AM
>>>To: Patrick Leonard
>>>Cc: opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org;
>>>daniel.pieper@t-online.de
>>>Subject: Re: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
>>>
>>>Patrick,
>>>
>>>thanks for your offer. Indeed, this is an option worth considering.
>>>
>>>
>>So
>>
>>
>>>far we are open to work with additional authors as well as joining
>>>an existing team.
>>>
>>>Currently we are in the feasibility/planning stages and checking if
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>there are any publishers interested in a book on SCA/SDO. We forsee
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>about 250-300 pages, but with additional authors this could be more
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>(our last book had more than 500 pages - and well, it took a
>>>
>>>
>while).
>
>
>>>Our main focus will be on SCA and not on a specific implementation
>>>(like Tuscany) but the book should definitively have a practical
>>>part/example. So an appropriate (sub-)title could be "Implementing
>>>
>>>
>>SCA/SDO with Tuscany".
>>
>>
>>>So much for our first thoughts. Can you give us any insights on
>>>
>>>
>what
>
>
>>>you have done so far?
>>>
>>>Best regards,
>>>Carsten
>>>
>>>-------- Original-Nachricht --------
>>>
>>>
>>>>Datum: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:53:22 -0700
>>>>Von: "Patrick Leonard" <Patrick.Leonard@roguewave.com>
>>>>An: "Carol Geyer" <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>,
>>>>daniel.pieper@t-online.de, carsten.roettgers@gmx.net
>>>>CC: opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org
>>>>Betreff: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Daniel, Carsten,
>>>>
>>>>I would be happy to work with you on this as well. I have
>>>>
>>>>
>already
>
>
>>>>done some writing toward a few chapters and I believe Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>Edwards
>
>
>>>>has
>>>>
>>>>
>>>as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>>We started on this last year but got delayed. Let me know where
>>>>
>>>>
>>you
>>
>>
>>>>are in the process and if this would be helpful.
>>>>
>>>>Best,
>>>>
>>>>Patrick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Patrick Leonard
>>>>VP, Engineering & Product Strategy Rogue Wave Software
>>>>pleonard@roguewave.com
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Carol Geyer [mailto:carol.geyer@oasis-open.org]
>>>>Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:42 AM
>>>>To: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carsten.roettgers@gmx.net
>>>>Cc: opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org
>>>>Subject: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
>>>>
>>>>Daniel, Carsten,
>>>>Please let me offer my assistance on this project on behalf of
>>>>
>>>>
>>OASIS.
>>
>>
>>>>I would be happy to review your work and answer any questions you
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>have related to Open CSA and OASIS.
>>>>
>>>>I realize you've been in touch with Graham, and he's forwarded
>>>>your questions to others in the OASIS Open CSA Member Section.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Carol
>>>>
>>>>_________________________________
>>>>Carol Geyer
>>>>Director of Communications
>>>>OASIS
>>>>+1.978.667.5115 x209
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Daniel Pieper"
>>>>
>>>>
>>To
>>
>>
>>>> <daniel.pieper@t-
>>>> online.de>
>>>>
>>>>
>>cc
>>
>>
>>>> 31/10/2007 00:40
>>>>
>>>>
>>bcc
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>Subject
>>
>>
>>>> This document [osoa contact] Business
>>>>
>>>>
>>Enquiry
>>
>>
>>>> expires on from www.osoa.org web site
>>>> 29/01/2008
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hello,
>>>>
>>>>first of all congratulations for the good work done so far in the
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>SCA and SDO specs.
>>>>In our daily work we see a strong need for programming models
>>>>leveraging the SOA principles and so we believe SCA and SDO to be
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>one of the coming technologies to consider. Because of the
>>>>
>>>>
>current
>
>
>>>>lack of literature explaining the principles behind and the use
>>>>
>>>>
>of
>
>
>>>>these two standards (and their current implementations) we are
>>>>considering to write a book ourselves.
>>>>
>>>>We have done so in the past in exploring the world of MDA
>>>>
>>>>
>>(Röttgers,
>>
>>
>>>>Pieper: MDA, Springer 2006) which to date is only available in
>>>>
>>>>
>>German.
>>
>>
>>>>Having made this experience before we know that writing something
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>about a standard is only possible if support and latest (insider)
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>information from the standardizing committee is available and
>>>>
>>>>
>>granted.
>>
>>
>>>>Considering a Go/No-Go we have the following questions:
>>>>- Does OSOA support this kind of "external" literature?
>>>>- If so, which information and personal support could you (would
>>>>you) offer?
>>>>- Are there already other publications underway of which you
>>>>
>>>>
>know?
>
>
>>>>- Which publisher would you recommend?
>>>>- Who is the direct contact for this type of questions?
>>>>
>>>>The focus of our work is not the profit but help in our daily
>>>>
>>>>
>work
>
>
>>>>with this new technology for us and our clients. Strong focus
>>>>would be in the OSS implementations. If supported we would like
>>>>
>>>>
>to
>
>
>>>>open all chapters for public review before going to print to give
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>the most coherent and complete information possible.
>>>>
>>>>If you have further questions please don't hesitate to contact
>>>>
>>>>
>us:
>
>
>>>>daniel.pieper@t-online.de OR carsten.roettgers@gmx.net
>>>>
>>>>Thank you in advance and best regards,
>>>>
>>>>Daniel, Carsten
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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