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Subject: RE: About the office-comment mailing list
It not being clear where meta-discussion about [office-comment] should go, I am following Rob's advice and applying my own reasoning to move over to [opendocument-users] (interesting shift in name there). Another way of looking at the distinction between comment and discussion is that while clarification requests and statements do happen on the comment list, these are not official responses of the ODF TC. Furthermore, when commenters begin discussing among themselves, with or without the complicity of ODF TC members, that also tends to be something best discussed elsewhere. It does seem valuable to differentiate between the opinions and attitudes of individual ODF TC members and those responses that are the considered, agreed results of ODF TC deliberations. We have not been so disciplined about that on the ODF TC. It is valuable to have this discussion about the constrained use of the office-comment list to submissions of comments and the exchanges involved in acknowledgment of receipt, requesting clarification, and reporting of disposition. In particular, I think that some responses from TC members have been provided as dispositive and the comments not considered further. I believe we want to avoid that just as much as it is inappropriate for there to be discussions that go beyond clarification and understanding of a comment submission. Our greater attention to maintenance and tracking of comments from both public reviews and defect reports should improve this, especially as we become better at providing accountability and providing closure for submitters, even when it takes a while. Because of OASIS rules around dealing with intellectual property, the office-comment list is the only approved way to submit proposals and suggestions that the ODF TC is able to consider, adapt, and incorporate. I am not aware of any occasion where that safeguard was of material importance concerning an office-comment submission, but this is one of those better-to-be-safe-than-sorry arrangements where OASIS does not delegate judgment on the matter, and rightly so. - Dennis PS: This comment is my own observation as a participant in the ODF TC and any similarity to an official position of the ODF TC or of OASIS is purely coincidental. Were there such an official position, there'd be provision of a link to the official minutes or other approved document where the official position is expressed. Dennis E. Hamilton ------------------ NuovoDoc: Design for Document System Interoperability mailto:Dennis.Hamilton@acm.org | gsm:+1-206.779.9430 http://NuovoDoc.com http://ODMA.info/dev/ http://nfoWorks.org -----Original Message----- From: rjelliffe@allette.com.au [mailto:rjelliffe@allette.com.au] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office-comment/200903/msg00059.html Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 18:48 To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org Cc: office-comment@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [office-comment] About this mailing list http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office-comment/200903/msg00048.html > Hi Paul, > > In general, yes. The piece that's missing is that this list is intended > to be "input only" - that is, one should not expect discussion from TC > members on any of the posts on this list. The intent is that the posts > would be discussed by the TC which would then decide what action, if > any, to take. You say "one should not *expect* discussion" which is fine. However from the latest ODF TC minutes: [http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200903/msg00020.html] "Michael asked that in alignment with the OASIS technical committee process *no* discussions should take place on the public comment mailing list." These are clearly not the same thing. For example, under what Mary said, an interested, engaged TC member could ask for clarification or suggest other angles to a comment on the public list, at their discretion, but with no obligation. Under what Michael has said, this is positively disallowed under the OASIS process. (Under Michael's interpretation, there is in fact *no* forum provided by OASIS for public discussion of the draft or future ODF specs?) Which is correct please? > If individuals want to take an active role in the > development of the spec, they should then join the technical committee > itself. Certainly. However community engagement is often regarded as a sign of openness. > I would like to make it clear to everyone commenting that the TC has not > yet approved a formal 60-day Public Review of the specification; the > approximate date posted in the call for requirements for "ODF-Next" was > late April. At that point in time the TC will be required to log all > comments received along with their resolution before proceeding to the > next approval level. That said, OASIS encourages feedback at any stage > of a specification's lifecycle; early feedback is typically much easier > to react to than that provided late in the game. You say that the "at that point" (i.e. late April) the TC will be required to log all comments for ODF-Next. Yet the call document* speaks of gathering requirements "now" with an aim of having a report ready 1 May. Is it that requirements are not required to be logged but comments are? That seems a little like formalizing discussion on details but not on the broad strokes. Cheers Rick Jelliffe * http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tc-announce/200902/msg00007.html -- This publicly archived list offers a means to provide input to the OASIS Open Document Format for Office Applications (OpenDocument) TC. In order to verify user consent to the Feedback License terms and to minimize spam in the list archive, subscription is required before posting. Subscribe: office-comment-subscribe@lists.oasis-open.org Unsubscribe: office-comment-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org List help: office-comment-help@lists.oasis-open.org List archive: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office-comment/ Feedback License: http://www.oasis-open.org/who/ipr/feedback_license.pdf List Guidelines: http://www.oasis-open.org/maillists/guidelines.php Committee: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=office
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