Fw: Raw text from Assembly TC call, 9th September

[Mike Edwards <mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com>]

Folks,

Here is the raw text from the TC meeting
of 9th September

Yours,  Mike.

Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO.
Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC.
IBM Hursley Park, Mail Point 146, Winchester, SO21 2JN, Great Britain.
Phone & FAX: +44-1962-818014    Mobile: +44-7802-467431  
Email:  mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com
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Date:	09/09/2008 21:14
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Mike Edwards: AGENDA

Mike Edwards: 1. Opening

Introductions
Roll call
Scribe confirmation
Agenda bashing

2. Approval of minutes of SCA-Assembly
TC meeting of 2nd September

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/29195/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202008-09-02.html

3. Action Items:

2008-04-28-1 status=pending Editors
to address the editorial comments contained in Combellack's comments at
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200804/msg00089.html
2008-06-03-3 status=pending Simon Nash
and Anish Karmarkar to develop a more concrete proposal for Issue 37 along
the lines of the F2F discussion so that profitable discussion may continue
this meeting.
2008-06-03-4 status=pending Chapman
to propose some non-normative clarification test to resolve Issue-26 due=2008-12-24
2008-06-03-6 status=pending Test sub
cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness
2008-07-22-3 status=pending Karmarkar
to send an E-mail with details of use case (re Issue 8 resolution)
2008-08-05-2 status=pending Mike Edwards:
Material for Issue Assembly-16 to be worked into a full formal resolution.
2008-08-12-1 status=pending Chairs to
coordinate milestones with Liaison committee
2008-08-12-2 status=pending Simon Nash
to prepare a list of locations in the Assembly spec where psuedo-schemas
are described as "snippets" or "schemas"

2008-08-26-1: if=2008-04-28-1 status=pending
Editors to address the editorial comments contained in Combellack's comments
at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200804/msg00089.html
2008-08-26-2: Editors to re-consider
the application of the resolution to assembly-57 based on Booz' email at
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200808/msg00040.html
2008-09-02-1: Edwards to follow up with
editors on 2008-04-28-1


4. TC Administrivia

- F2F meeting in Boston, 30/09 &
01/10

5. New Issues

ASSEMBLY-79 Identifying wire format
and operation selection
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-79

ASSEMBLY-80 Create an Event Processing
Model for SCA
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-80

ASSEMBLY 81 Duplicated atributes in
sca-binding-sca.xsd and sca-implementation-composite.xsd
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-81


6. Existing Issues

ASSEMBLY-57 - status of application
of the resolution of this issue
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200808/msg00040.html

ASSEMBLY-8 SCDL artifact resolution
underspecified
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-8

Latest proposals:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200809/msg00000.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200809/msg00001.html

ASSEMBLY-37 Need to clarify contents
of an SCA Domain virtual composite
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-37

Waiting for a write-up based on discussions
at the F2F meeting

ASSEMBLY-71 Implementation.composite
pseudo-schema incorrect
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-71

Proposal is contained within the JIRA

ASSEMBLY-77 How to map WSDL 1.1. portType
to WSDL 2.0 interface and vice versa?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-77

Alternate proposals are contained in
the JIRA

ASSEMBLY-75 Section on "Wire"
in Appendix is Incorrect
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-75

Proposal is contained in the JIRA

ASSEMBLY-65 Constraining Type talks
about non-optional references but does not define what they are
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-65

Proposal is contained in the JIRA

ASSEMBLY-63 Specification wording unclear
on how local and remotable interfaces are specified
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-63

Proposal is contained in the JIRA

ASSEMBLY-62 What is the default value
for many and mustSupply on Properties?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-62

Proposal is contained in the JIRA

6. AOB

Eric Wells: scribe:Eric Wells

Eric Wells: Topic: Roll Call

Eric Wells: 19/25 = 76% Quorate

Eric Wells: Topic: Agenda

Eric Wells: As posted above

Eric Wells: Topic: Minutes

Eric Wells: Minutes of 02-Sep-08 approved
w/o (Link above)

Eric Wells: Topic: Action Items

Eric Wells: 2008-04-28-1 Editors to
address the editorial comments contained in Combellack's comments at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200804/msg00089.html

Pending

Eric Wells: 2008-06-03-3 Simon Nash
and Anish Karmarkar to develop a more concrete proposal for Issue 37 along
the lines of the F2F

Eric Wells: Pending

Eric Wells: 2008-06-03-4 Chapman to
propose some non-normative clarification test to resolve Issue-26 due=2008-12-24

Pending

Eric Wells: 2008-06-03-6 Test sub cttee
produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness

Eric Wells: Pending

Eric Wells: 2008-07-22-3 Karmarkar to
send an E-mail with details of use case

Eric Wells: Pending

Eric Wells: 2008-08-05-2 Mike Edwards:
Material for Issue Assembly-16 to be worked into a full formal resolution

Eric Wells: Pending

Eric Wells: 2008-08-12-1 Chairs to coordinate
milestones with Liaison committee

Eric Wells: Done (Waiting for Liason
ctte)

Eric Wells: 2008-08-12-2 Simon Nash
to prepare a list of locations in the Assembly spec where psuedo-schemas
are described as "snippets" or "schemas"

Eric Wells: Pending

Eric Wells: 2008-08-26-1: if=2008-04-28-1
Editors to address the editorial comments contained in Combellack's comments

Eric Wells: Pending

Eric Wells: 2008-08-26-2: Editors to
re-consider the application of the resolution to assembly-57

Eric Wells: Pending

Eric Wells: 2008-09-02-1: Edwards to
follow up with editors on 2008-04-28-1

Eric Wells: Pending

Eric Wells: Topic: New Issues

Eric Wells: ASSEMBLY-79 Identifying
wire format and operation selection 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-79

Eric Wells: motion: m=MikeE s=Ashok
Open issue 79

Eric Wells: No objection

Eric Wells: resolution: i=79 Assembly-79
opened w/o

Eric Wells: ASSEMBLY-80 Create an Event
Processing Model for SCA 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-80

Eric Wells: motion: m=MikeE s=DaveB
Open Issue 80

Eric Wells: resolution: i=80 Assembly-80
opened w/o

Eric Wells: ASSEMBLY 81 Duplicated atributes
in sca-binding-sca.xsd and sca-implementation-composite.xsd 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-81

Eric Wells: motion: m=VladislavB s=MikeE
Open issue 81

Eric Wells: resolution: i=81 Assembly-81
opened w/o

Martin C: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-82

Eric Wells: (Additional item missed
from agenda)

Eric Wells: ASSEMBLY 82 Relax <component/>
schema to allow <implementation/> anywhere

Eric Wells: motion: m=DaveB s=SimonN
Open Issue 82

Eric Wells: resolution: i=82 Assembly-82
opened w/o

Eric Wells: Topic: Exisiting Issues

anish seems like i'm the one that needs
to hide 

Eric Wells: ASSEMBLY-57 - status of
application of the resolution of this issue 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200808/msg00040.html

Eric Wells: Problems with application
of resolution to Assembly-57

Eric Wells: See E-mail in list:

Eric Wells: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/email/archives/200808/msg00040.html

Dave Booz anish, you can run but you
can't hide

anish if running give me time till next
week ... 

Eric Wells: ASSEMBLY-8 SCDL artifact
resolution underspecified 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-8

Latest proposals: 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200809/msg00000.html

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200809/msg00001.html

anish s/give/gives/

Eric Wells: Brief disccusion but no
progress at present

Eric Wells: ASSEMBLY-37 Need to clarify
contents of an SCA Domain virtual composite 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-37

Waiting for a write-up based on discussions
at the F2F meeting

Eric Wells: SimonN: No progress - appologies

Eric Wells: ASSEMBLY-71 Implementation.composite
pseudo-schema incorrect 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-71

anish: btw, why do we have xml preamble
in pseudoschemas?

Mike Edwards: <composite xmlns="http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/sca/200712"
           
            targetNamespace="xs:anyURI"
           
            name="xs:NCName" local="xs:boolean"?
autowire="xs:boolean"?
           
            constrainingType="QName"?
           
            requires="list of xs:QName"?
policySets="list of xs:QName"?>

Eric Wells: BryanA is no on call - MikeE
speaks to issue

Mark Combellack: looks like lines 1962
in CD01 30 june 2008

Mike Edwards: <!-- Implementation.Composite
schema snippet -->
<implementation.composite xmlns="http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/sca/200712"
        targetNamespace="xs:anyURI"
        substitutionGroup="implementation"
        name="QName"
requires="list of xs:QNames"? policySets="list of xs:QNames"?/>

Eric Wells: s/no on call/not on call/

Eric Wells: MikeE: Preamble not necessary
for pseudo-schema - s/b removed

Eric Wells: Discussion to clarify entire
section (lines 1961-200 s/b replaced with pseudo-schema above

anish: here is what I think it should
be:

anish: <implementation.composite
xmlns="http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/sca/200712"
        name="xs:QName"
requires="list of xs:QNames"? policySets="list of xs:QNames"?/>

Mike Edwards: <!-- Implementation.Composite
pseudo-schema -->
<implementation.composite xmlns="http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/sca/200712"
        name="QName"
requires="list of QNames"? policySets="list of QNames"?/>

Mike Edwards: <!-- implementation.composite
pseudo-schema -->
<implementation.composite xmlns="http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/sca/200712"
        name="QName"
requires="list of QNames"? policySets="list of QNames"?/>

Mike Edwards: <!-- implementation.composite
pseudo-schema -->
<implementation.composite xmlns="http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/sca/200712"
        name="xs:QName"
requires="list of xs:QName"? policySets="list of xs:QName"?/>

Mike Edwards: <!-- implementation.composite
pseudo-schema -->
<implementation.composite name="xs:QName"
requires="list of xs:QName"? policySets="list of xs:QName"?/>

Eric Wells: MartinC: Namespace souldn't
be in pseudo-schema - will need updating if/when n/s changes

Mike Edwards: Motion: Resolve Issue
71 by replacing lines 1962 - 2010 with the following:
<!-- implementation.composite pseudo-schema
-->
<implementation.composite name="xs:QName"
requires="list of xs:QName"? policySets="list of xs:QName"?/>

Eric Wells: s/sould/should/

Mike Edwards: (CD01- Rev1 of 30th June)

Eric Wells: move=MikeE second=DaveB

Eric Wells: AshokM: Changes to "List
of xs:QName" will require changes to all pseudo-schema? (to be consistent)

Eric Wells: MikeE: Rest of spec seem
OK

Eric Wells: Ashok: But not with SCA-Policy
spec...

Eric Wells: No further discussion -
no objections

Dave Booz so much for an easy one

Eric Wells: resolution: i=8 ASSEMBLY-8
Resolved with pseudo-schema above w/o

Eric Wells: ASSEMBLY-77 How to map WSDL
1.1. portType to WSDL 2.0 interface and vice versa? 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-77

Alternate proposals are contained in
the JIRA

Eric Wells: AnishK: Describes proposal

Eric Wells: (describes problems mapping
WDSL 1.1 <-> 2.0)

Eric Wells: Option 1: Define subset
of WSDL for mapping 1.1 <-> 2.0

Eric Wells: Option 2: Only support WSDL
1.1 at present

Eric Wells: option 2 is easier and there
doesn't seem to be extensive support for WSDL 2.0 at present

Eric Wells: ScottV: Agree that WSDL
2.0 is better spec, but has less industry support

Eric Wells: ... may be better to define
separate interfaces for WSDL 1.1 and 2.0 rather than one WSDL interface
that maps between 1.1 and 2.0

Eric Wells: MikeE: Dropping WSDL 2.0
may need more changes to spec

Eric Wells: SimonN: SCA-Bindings needs
to be involved also - WSDL 2.0 is in that spec

Eric Wells: AshokM: When spec goes to
public review - will probably get a lot of -ve feedback

Eric Wells: MikeE: Note that WSDL 2.0
is not "unsupported" - would be handled by extensions

Eric Wells: ... WSDL 1.1 is how spec
is defined

Eric Wells: MartinC: In favor of two
interfaces and ony defining WSDL 1.1 at present

anish sending an email to the binding
TC right now, pointing out this issue to them

Eric Wells: Further discussion on imact
of dropping WSDL 2.0

Martin C lowered your hand

Eric Wells: Text of motion: "It
is the intent of the SCA-Assembly TC to drop support for WSDL 2.0 in the
current version of the SCA-Assembly specification"

Eric Wells: motion: m=AnishK s=ScottV
"It is the intent of the SCA-Assembly TC to drop support for WSDL
2.0 in the current version of the SCA-Assembly specification"

Eric Wells: resolution: Motion for intent
to drop WSDL 2.0 unanimously approved

Eric Wells: ASSEMBLY-75 Section on "Wire"
in Appendix is Incorrect 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-75

Proposal is contained in the JIRA

Eric Wells: SimonN: There was considerable
discussion on "wire" vs "wiring"- don't think text
is correct

Jim Marino: http://rafb.net/p/JgGEvu51.html

Scott Vorthmann: +1 to Mike

Jim Marino: (sorry wrong window)

Mike Edwards: "Valid wiring sources
are component references. Valid wiring targets are component services".

Scott Vorthmann: how about "Valid
wire targets, including on a component reference, are component services."

Mike Edwards: Motion to resolve Issue
75 by replacing lines 4406/4407 in CD-01 Rev1 with:

Mike Edwards: "Valid wiring sources
are component references. Valid wiring targets are component services".

Eric Wells: motion: m=MikeE s=SimonN
As above

Eric Wells: resolution: i=75 ASSEMBLY-75
resolved with text above

Eric Wells: s/resolved/resolved unanimously/

Mike Edwards: 2282 in CD-01 Rev1

Eric Wells: ASSEMBLY-65 Constraining
Type talks about non-optional references but does not define what they
are 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-65

MarkC: Describes proposal is contained
in JIRA

Eric Wells: motion: m=MarkC s=SimonN
Replace text on line 2153 with text proposed in JIRA

Eric Wells: discussion

Eric Wells: Out of time

Eric Wells: Topic: AOB

Eric Wells: Straggler role call

Eric Wells: Adjourned 9:01AM PDT

Martin C: roll call at: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/event.php?event_id=16056&day=1220954400

Eric Wells: End of Text

Yours,  Mike.

Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO.
Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC.
IBM Hursley Park, Mail Point 146, Winchester, SO21 2JN, Great Britain.
Phone & FAX: +44-1962-818014    Mobile: +44-7802-467431  
Email:  mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com

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