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Subject: Draft minutes of 2008-09-09 are attached


Title: SCA-Assy - 2008-09-09

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OASIS SCA-Assembly TC

09 SEP 2008

Attendees

Present
fred carter
Mark Combellack
Dale Moberg
Jacques Durand
Tom Rutt
Eric Wells
Michael Beisiegel
David Booz
Graham Charters
Mike Edwards
Simon Holdsworth
Dieter Koenig
Simon Nash
Jim Marino
Jeff Estefan
Martin Chapman
David DiFranco
Khanderao Kand
Anish Karmarkar
Rich Levinson
Ashok Malhotra
Vladislav Bezrukov
Sanjay Patil
Plamen Pavlov
Peter Walker
Scott Vorthmann
Chairs
Martin Chapman
Mike Edwards
Scribe
Eric Wells
Agenda:
1. Opening

Introductions
Roll call
Scribe confirmation
Agenda bashing

2. Approval of minutes of SCA-Assembly TC meeting of 2nd September

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/29195/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202008-09-02.html

3. Action Items:

2008-04-28-1 status=pending Editors to address the editorial comments contained in Combellack's comments at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200804/msg00089.html
2008-06-03-3 status=pending Simon Nash and Anish Karmarkar to develop a more concrete proposal for Issue 37 along the lines of the F2F discussion so that profitable discussion may continue this meeting.
2008-06-03-4 status=pending Chapman to propose some non-normative clarification test to resolve Issue-26 due=2008-12-24
2008-06-03-6 status=pending Test sub cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness
2008-07-22-3 status=pending Karmarkar to send an E-mail with details of use case (re Issue 8 resolution)
2008-08-05-2 status=pending Mike Edwards: Material for Issue Assembly-16 to be worked into a full formal resolution.
2008-08-12-1 status=pending Chairs to coordinate milestones with Liaison committee
2008-08-12-2 status=pending Simon Nash to prepare a list of locations in the Assembly spec where psuedo-schemas are described as "snippets" or "schemas"

2008-08-26-1: if=2008-04-28-1 status=pending Editors to address the editorial comments contained in Combellack's comments at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200804/msg00089.html
2008-08-26-2: Editors to re-consider the application of the resolution to assembly-57 based on Booz' email at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200808/msg00040.html
2008-09-02-1: Edwards to follow up with editors on 2008-04-28-1


4. TC Administrivia

- F2F meeting in Boston, 30/09 & 01/10

5. New Issues

ASSEMBLY-79 Identifying wire format and operation selection
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-79

ASSEMBLY-80 Create an Event Processing Model for SCA
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-80

ASSEMBLY 81 Duplicated atributes in sca-binding-sca.xsd and sca-implementation-composite.xsd
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-81


6. Existing Issues

ASSEMBLY-57 - status of application of the resolution of this issue
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200808/msg00040.html

ASSEMBLY-8 SCDL artifact resolution underspecified
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-8

Latest proposals:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200809/msg00000.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200809/msg00001.html

ASSEMBLY-37 Need to clarify contents of an SCA Domain virtual composite
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-37

Waiting for a write-up based on discussions at the F2F meeting

ASSEMBLY-71 Implementation.composite pseudo-schema incorrect
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-71

Proposal is contained within the JIRA

ASSEMBLY-77 How to map WSDL 1.1. portType to WSDL 2.0 interface and vice versa?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-77

Alternate proposals are contained in the JIRA

ASSEMBLY-75 Section on "Wire" in Appendix is Incorrect
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-75

Proposal is contained in the JIRA

ASSEMBLY-65 Constraining Type talks about non-optional references but does not define what they are
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-65

Proposal is contained in the JIRA

ASSEMBLY-63 Specification wording unclear on how local and remotable interfaces are specified
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-63

Proposal is contained in the JIRA

ASSEMBLY-62 What is the default value for many and mustSupply on Properties?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-62

Proposal is contained in the JIRA
6. AOB

Contents

Topics
[1]  Opening
[2]  Action Items
[3]  New Issues
[4]  ASSEMBLY-79 Identifying wire format and operation selection http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-79
[5]  ASSEMBLY-80 Create an Event Processing Model for SCA http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-80
[6]  ASSEMBLY 81 Duplicated atributes in sca-binding-sca.xsd and sca-implementation-composite.xsd http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-81
[7]  ASSEMBLY 82 Relax <component/> schema to allow <implementation/> anywhere
[8]  Exisiting Issues
[9]  ASSEMBLY-57 - status of application of the resolution of this issue http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200808/msg00040.html
[10]  ASSEMBLY-8 SCDL artifact resolution underspecified
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-8
Latest proposals:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200809/msg00000.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200809/msg00001.html
[11]  ASSEMBLY-37 Need to clarify contents of an SCA Domain virtual composite
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-37 Waiting for a write-up based on discussions at the F2F meeting
[12]  ASSEMBLY-71 Implementation.composite pseudo-schema incorrect http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-71
[13]  ASSEMBLY-77 How to map WSDL 1.1. portType to WSDL 2.0 interface and vice versa?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-77 Alternate proposals are contained in the JIRA
[14]  ASSEMBLY-75 Section on "Wire" in Appendix is Incorrect
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-75 Proposal is contained in the JIRA
[15]  ASSEMBLY-65 Constraining Type talks about non-optional references but does not define what they are
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-65 MarkC: Describes proposal is contained in JIRA
[16]  AOB
Table of Resolutions
Table of Action Items

Action Items

Done:
id=2008-08-12-1 status=done Chairs to coordinate milestones with Liaison committee
Pending:
id=2008-04-28-1 status=pending Editors to address the editorial comments contained in Combellack's comments at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200804/msg00089.html
id=2008-06-03-3 status=pending Simon Nash and Anish Karmarkar to develop a more concrete proposal for Issue 37 along the lines of the F2F
id=2008-06-03-4 status=pending due=2008-12-24 Chapman to propose some non-normative clarification test to resolve Issue-26
id=2008-06-03-6 status=pending Test sub cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness
id=2008-07-22-3 status=pending Karmarkar to send an E-mail with details of use case
id=2008-08-05-2 status=pending Mike Edwards: Material for Issue Assembly-16 to be worked into a full formal resolution
id=2008-08-12-2 status=pending Simon Nash to prepare a list of locations in the Assembly spec where psuedo-schemas are described as "snippets" or "schemas"
id=2008-08-26-2 status=pending Editors to re-consider the application of the resolution to assembly-57
id=2008-09-02-1 status=pending Edwards to follow up with editors on 2008-04-28-1

Resolutions


Minutes

Scribe: Eric Wells

Opening

Roll 19/25 = 76% Quorate
Agenda - agreed
Resolution: Minutes of 02-Sep-08 approved w/o (Link above)

Action Items

Action: Editors to address the editorial comments contained in Combellack's comments at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200804/msg00089.html
Action: Simon Nash and Anish Karmarkar to develop a more concrete proposal for Issue 37 along the lines of the F2F
Action: Chapman to propose some non-normative clarification test to resolve Issue-26
Action: Test sub cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness
Action: Karmarkar to send an E-mail with details of use case
Action: Mike Edwards: Material for Issue Assembly-16 to be worked into a full formal resolution
Action: Chairs to coordinate milestones with Liaison committee
Action: Simon Nash to prepare a list of locations in the Assembly spec where psuedo-schemas are described as "snippets" or "schemas"
Action: Editors to re-consider the application of the resolution to assembly-57
Action: Edwards to follow up with editors on 2008-04-28-1

New Issues

ASSEMBLY-79 Identifying wire format and operation selection http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-79

Motion: m=MikeE s=Ashok Open issue 79
Resolution: i=79 Assembly-79 opened w/o

ASSEMBLY-80 Create an Event Processing Model for SCA http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-80

Motion: m=MikeE s=DaveB Open Issue 80
Resolution: i=80 Assembly-80 opened w/o

ASSEMBLY 81 Duplicated atributes in sca-binding-sca.xsd and sca-implementation-composite.xsd http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-81

Motion: m=VladislavB s=MikeE Open issue 81
Resolution: i=81 Assembly-81 opened w/o
<Martin C>
(Additional item missed from agenda)

ASSEMBLY 82 Relax <component/> schema to allow <implementation/> anywhere

Motion: m=DaveB s=SimonN Open Issue 82
Resolution: i=82 Assembly-82 opened w/o

Exisiting Issues

ASSEMBLY-57 - status of application of the resolution of this issue http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200808/msg00040.html

Problems with application of resolution to Assembly-57
See E-mail in list:

ASSEMBLY-8 SCDL artifact resolution underspecified
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-8
Latest proposals:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200809/msg00000.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200809/msg00001.html

Brief disccusion but no progress at present

ASSEMBLY-37 Need to clarify contents of an SCA Domain virtual composite
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-37 Waiting for a write-up based on discussions at the F2F meeting

Nash:
No progress - appologies

ASSEMBLY-71 Implementation.composite pseudo-schema incorrect http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-71

<anish>
btw, why do we have xml preamble in pseudoschemas?
<Mike Edwards>
<composite xmlns="http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/sca/200712"
targetNamespace="xs:anyURI"
name="xs:NCName" local="xs:boolean"? autowire="xs:boolean"?
constrainingType="QName"? requires="list of xs:QName"? policySets="list of xs:QName"?>
<Mark Combellack>
looks like lines 1962 in CD01 30 june 2008
<Mike Edwards>
<!-- Implementation.Composite schema snippet -->
<implementation.composite xmlns="http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/sca/200712"
targetNamespace="xs:anyURI"
substitutionGroup="implementation" name="QName" requires="list of xs:QNames"? policySets="list of xs:QNames"?/>
MikeE:
Preamble not necessary for pseudo-schema - s/b removed
Discussion to clarify entire section (lines 1961-2008) s/b replaced with pseudo-schema above
<anish>
here is what I think it should be:
<anish>
<implementation.composite xmlns="http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/sca/200712" name="xs:QName" requires="list of xs:QNames"? policySets="list of xs:QNames"?/>
<Mike Edwards>
<!-- Implementation.Composite pseudo-schema -->
<implementation.composite xmlns="http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/sca/200712" name="QName" requires="list of QNames"? policySets="list of QNames"?/>
<Mike Edwards>
<!-- implementation.composite pseudo-schema -->
<implementation.composite xmlns="http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/sca/200712" name="QName" requires="list of QNames"? policySets="list of QNames"?/>
<Mike Edwards>
<!-- implementation.composite pseudo-schema -->
<implementation.composite xmlns="http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/sca/200712" name="xs:QName" requires="list of xs:QName"? policySets="list of xs:QName"?/>
<Mike Edwards>
<!-- implementation.composite pseudo-schema --><implementation.composite name="xs:QName" requires="list of xs:QName"? policySets="list of xs:QName"?/>
Motion: Resolve Issue 71 by replacing lines 1962 - 2010 with the following:<!-- implementation.composite pseudo-schema --><implementation.composite name="xs:QName" requires="list of xs:QName"? policySets="list of xs:QName"?/>
<Mike Edwards>
(CD01- Rev1 of 30th June)
move=MikeE second=DaveB
Malhotra:
Changes to "List of xs:QName" will require changes to all pseudo-schema? (to be consistent)
MikeE:
Rest of spec seem OK
Ashok:
But not with SCA-Policy spec...
No further discussion - no objections
Resolution: ASSEMBLY-71 Resolved with pseudo-schema above w/o

ASSEMBLY-77 How to map WSDL 1.1. portType to WSDL 2.0 interface and vice versa?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-77 Alternate proposals are contained in the JIRA

AnishK:
Describes proposal
(describes problems mapping WDSL 1.1 <-> 2.0)
Option 1: Define subset of WSDL for mapping 1.1 <-> 2.0
Option 2: Only support WSDL 1.1 at present
option 2 is easier and there doesn't seem to be extensive support for WSDL 2.0 at present
Vorthmann:
Agree that WSDL 2.0 is better spec, but has less industry support
 
...may be better to define separate interfaces for WSDL 1.1 and 2.0 rather than one WSDL interface that maps between 1.1 and 2.0
MikeE:
Dropping WSDL 2.0 may need more changes to spec
Nash:
SCA-Bindings needs to be involved also - WSDL 2.0 is in that spec
Malhotra:
When spec goes to public review - will probably get a lot of -ve feedback
MikeE:
Note that WSDL 2.0 is not "unsupported" - would be handled by extensions
 
...WSDL 1.1 is how spec is defined
MartinC:
In favor of two interfaces and ony defining WSDL 1.1 at present
Further discussion on imact of dropping WSDL 2.0
Text of motion: "It is the intent of the SCA-Assembly TC to drop support for WSDL 2.0 in the current version of the SCA-Assembly specification"
Motion: m=AnishK s=ScottV "It is the intent of the SCA-Assembly TC to drop support for WSDL 2.0 in the current version of the SCA-Assembly specification"
Resolution: Motion for intent to drop WSDL 2.0 unanimously approved

ASSEMBLY-75 Section on "Wire" in Appendix is Incorrect
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-75 Proposal is contained in the JIRA

Nash:
There was considerable discussion on "wire" vs "wiring"- don't think text is correct
<Jim Marino>
<Scott Vorthmann>
+1 to Mike
<Jim Marino>
(sorry wrong window)
<Mike Edwards>
"Valid wiring sources are component references. Valid wiring targets are component services".
<Scott Vorthmann>
how about "Valid wire targets, including on a component reference, are component services."
<Mike Edwards>
Motion to resolve Issue 75 by replacing lines 4406/4407 in CD-01 Rev1 with:
<Mike Edwards>
"Valid wiring sources are component references. Valid wiring targets are component services".
Motion: m=MikeE s=SimonN As above
Resolution: i=75 ASSEMBLY-75 resolved unanimously with text above
<Mike Edwards>
2282 in CD-01 Rev1

ASSEMBLY-65 Constraining Type talks about non-optional references but does not define what they are
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-65 MarkC: Describes proposal is contained in JIRA

Motion: m=MarkC s=SimonN Replace text on line 2153 with text proposed in JIRA
discussion
Out of time

AOB

Straggler role call
Adjourned 9:01AM PDT

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