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Subject: Draft Minutes of 2008-09-23 are attached

Title: SCA-Assy - 2008-09-23

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SCA-Assembly TC
Teleconference

23 SEP 2008

Attendees

Present

fred carter AmberPoint Group Member
Dale Moberg Axway Software* Group Member
Jacques Durand Fujitsu Limited* Group Member
Robert Freund Hitachi, Ltd. Group Member
Eric Wells Hitachi, Ltd. Group Member
Michael Beisiegel IBM Group Member
David Booz IBM Group Member
Graham Charters IBM Group Member
Mike Edwards IBM Group Member
Simon Holdsworth IBM Group Member
Dieter Koenig IBM Group Member
Simon Nash IBM Group Member
Jim Marino Individual Group Member
Jeff Estefan Jet Propulsion Laboratory:* Group Member
Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation Group Member
Khanderao Kand Oracle Corporation Group Member
Rich Levinson Oracle Corporation Group Member
Vladislav Bezrukov SAP AG* Group Member
Sanjay Patil SAP AG* Group Member
Plamen Pavlov SAP AG* Group Member
Sabin Ielceanu TIBCO Software Inc. Group Member
Scott Vorthmann TIBCO Software Inc. Group Member

Chairs

Mike Edwards
Martin Chapman

Scribe

Bob Freund

Agenda:

1. Opening

Introductions
Roll call
Scribe confirmation
Agenda bashing

2. Approval of minutes of SCA-Assembly TC meeting of 16th September

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/29371/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202008-09-16.html

3. Action Items:

id=2008-04-28-1 status=pending Editors to address the editorial comments contained in Combellack's comments at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200804/msg00089.html
id=2008-06-03-3 status=pending Simon Nash and Anish Karmarkar to develop a more concrete proposal for Issue 37 along the lines of the F2F
id=2008-06-03-4 status=pending due=2008-12-24 Chapman to propose some non-normative clarification test to resolve Issue-26
id=2008-06-03-6 status=pending Test sub cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness
id=2008-08-05-2 status=pending Mike Edwards: Material for Issue Assembly-16 to be worked into a full formal resolution
id=2008-08-12-2 status=pending Simon Nash to prepare a list of locations in the Assembly spec where psuedo-schemas are described as "snippets" or "schemas"
id=2008-08-26-2 status=pending Editors to re-consider the application of the resolution to assembly-57
id=2008-09-02-1 status=pending Edwards to follow up with editors on 2008-04-28-1
id=2008-09-16-1 status=pending owner="Editors" Add text to justify no operator overloading as described in DaveB's E-mail
id=2008-09-16-2 status=pending owner="MikeE" Check specs for definitions of remoteable interfaces
id=2008-09-16-3 status=pending owner="MikeE" Promote discussion on E-mail to determine requirements for ASSEMBLY-62


4. TC Administrivia

- F2F meeting in Boston, 30/09 & 01/10

5. New Issues

Discuss overloaded operations restriction - raised in an email by Dave Booz:

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200809/msg00004.html

6. Existing Issues

ASSEMBLY-26 - status of application of the resolution of this issue
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-26

Proposal:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200809/msg00038.html
Comments:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200809/msg00040.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200809/msg00044.html

ASSEMBLY-82 Relax <component/> schema to allow <implementation/> anywhere
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-82

Proposal is in the JIRA
Comment:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200809/msg00042.html


ASSEMBLY-8 SCDL artifact resolution underspecified
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-8

Latest proposals:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200809/msg00000.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200809/msg00001.html

ASSEMBLY-37 Need to clarify contents of an SCA Domain virtual composite
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-37

Waiting for a write-up based on discussions at the F2F meeting

ASSEMBLY-77 How to map WSDL 1.1. portType to WSDL 2.0 interface and vice versa?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-77

Alternate proposals are contained in the JIRA

ASSEMBLY-62 What is the default value for many and mustSupply on Properties?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-62

Proposal is contained in the JIRA

ASSEMBLY-79 Identifying wire format and operation selection
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-79

Proposal is in the JIRA

ASSEMBLY-81 Duplicated atributes in sca-binding-sca.xsd and sca-implementation-composite.xsd
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-81


7. Issue Status
32 Open Issues
0 opened
x resolved
8. AOB

Contents

Topics
[1]  Opening
[2]  Action Items
[3]  New Issues
[4]  Existing Issues
[5]  ASSEMBLY-26 - status of application of the resolution of this issue http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-26
[6]  ASSEMBLY-82 Relax <component/> schema to allow <implementation/> anywhere http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-82
[7]  ASSEMBLY-8 SCDL artifact resolution underspecified http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-8
[8]  ASSEMBLY-37 Need to clarify contents of an SCA Domain virtual composite http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-37
[9]  ASSEMBLY-77 How to map WSDL 1.1. portType to WSDL 2.0 interface and vice-versa? http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-77
[10]  ASSEMBLY-62 What is the default value for many and mustSupply on Properties? http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-62
[11]  ASSEMBLY-79 Identifying wire format and operation selection http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-79
[12]  ASSEMBLY-81 Duplicated atributes in sca-binding-sca.xsd and sca-implementation-composite.xsd http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-81
[13]  Assembly-16
Table of Resolutions
Table of Action Items

Action Items

Done:
id=2008-04-28-1 status=done owner="Edwards" Editors to address the editorial comments contained in Combellack's comments at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200804/msg00089.html
id=2008-09-16-2 status=done owner="MikeE" Check specs for definitions of remoteable interfaces href="http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/email/archives/200809/msg00049.html"
id=2008-06-03-3 status=done Simon Nash and Anish Karmarkar to develop a more concrete proposal for Issue 37 along the lines of the F2F
id=2008-06-03-4 status=done due=2008-12-24 Chapman to propose some non-normative clarification test to resolve Issue-26
id=2008-08-05-2 status=done Mike Edwards: Material for Issue Assembly-16 to be worked into a full formal resolution href="http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/email/archives/200809/msg00053.html"
id=2008-08-12-2 status=done Simon Nash to prepare a list of locations in the Assembly spec where psuedo-schemas are described as "snippets" or "schemas" href="http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/email/archives/200809/msg00032.html"
id=2008-09-16-2 status=done owner="MikeE" Check specs for definitions of remoteable interfaces href="http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/email/archives/200809/msg00049.html"
id=2008-09-16-3 status=done owner="MikeE" Promote discussion on E-mail to determine requirements for ASSEMBLY-62 href="http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/email/archives/200809/msg00052.html"
Pending:
id=2008-06-03-6 status=pending Test sub cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness
id=2008-08-26-2 status=pending Editors to re-consider the application of the resolution to assembly-57
id=2008-09-16-1 status=pending owner="Editors" Add text to justify no operator overloading as described in DaveB's E-mail
New:
id=2008-09-23-1 status=pending Edwards to modify his proposal for the resolution of Assembly-62 to include consideration of constraining types

Resolutions

Minutes

Scribe: Bob Freund

Opening

Roll - Quorate with 18 of 26 voting members present
Agenda - accepted w/o
Resolution: Minutes of 2008-09-16 approved w/o

Action Items

Action: id=2008-04-28-1 status=done Editors to address the editorial comments contained in Combellack's comments at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200804/msg00089.html owner=Edwards
Action: id=2008-09-16-2 status=done owner="MikeE" Check specs for definitions of remoteable interfaces href="http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/email/archives/200809/msg00049.html"
Action: id=2008-06-03-3 status=done Simon Nash and Anish Karmarkar to develop a more concrete proposal for Issue 37 along the lines of the F2F
Action: id=2008-06-03-4 status=done due=2008-12-24 Chapman to propose some non-normative clarification test to resolve Issue-26
Action: id=2008-06-03-6 status=pending Test sub cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness
Action: id=2008-08-05-2 status=done Mike Edwards: Material for Issue Assembly-16 to be worked into a full formal resolution href="http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/email/archives/200809/msg00053.html"
Action: id=2008-08-12-2 status=done Simon Nash to prepare a list of locations in the Assembly spec where psuedo-schemas are described as "snippets" or "schemas" href="http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/email/archives/200809/msg00032.html"
Action: id=2008-08-26-2 status=pending Editors to re-consider the application of the resolution to assembly-57
Action: id=2008-09-16-1 status=pending owner="Editors" Add text to justify no operator overloading as described in DaveB's E-mail
Action: id=2008-09-16-2 status=done owner="MikeE" Check specs for definitions of remoteable interfaces href="http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/email/archives/200809/msg00049.html"
Action: id=2008-09-16-3 status=done owner="MikeE" Promote discussion on E-mail to determine requirements for ASSEMBLY-62 href="http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/email/archives/200809/msg00052.html"

New Issues

None! the agenda lies

Existing Issues

ASSEMBLY-26 - status of application of the resolution of this issue http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-26

Proposals in the agenda above
<Martin C>
The boundary of visibility, sometimes called encapsulation, can be enforced when assembling components and composites, but such encapsulation structures might not be enforceable in a particular implementation language.
<Martin C>
line 1940 cd01-rev1 (pdf)
Motion: m:Chapman s: Booz Resolve Assembly-26 using the wording "The boundary of visibility, sometimes called encapsulation, can be enforced when assembling components and composites, but such encapsulation structures might not be enforceable in a particular implementation language." at line 1940 cd01-rev1 (pdf)
Resolution: Resolve Assembly-26 using the wording "The boundary of visibility, sometimes called encapsulation, can be enforced when assembling components and composites, but such encapsulation structures might not be enforceable in a particular implementation language." at line 1940 cd01-rev1 (pdf) w/o

ASSEMBLY-82 Relax <component/> schema to allow <implementation/> anywhere http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-82

Proposal in the Jira
Booz:
We have tried several versions of this and have run into UPA issues
 
...I am really disappointed that we can't do this in schema
 
...Anish's proposal is to go back to the old hard-wired model
 
...I would like to let this season for another week or perhaps discuss at the face to face
deferred

ASSEMBLY-8 SCDL artifact resolution underspecified http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-8

Booz:
We are still picking our way through this resolution
<Mike Edwards>
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200809/msg00050.html
Edwards:
It appears that we are converging on a higher level model
Since neither Karmarkar nor Malhotra are on the call we will defer

ASSEMBLY-37 Need to clarify contents of an SCA Domain virtual composite http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-37

Nash discusses his proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200809/msg00054.html
Edwards:
Since it has been just recently posted, let us let it season until the face to face
Nash:
Since I will be dialing in, please schedule discussion in the morning some time.
Deffered

ASSEMBLY-77 How to map WSDL 1.1. portType to WSDL 2.0 interface and vice-versa? http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-77

Edwards:
The Bindings TC has requested another week and that we delay our consideration so that they may contemplate the consequences for them
Deferred

ASSEMBLY-62 What is the default value for many and mustSupply on Properties? http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-62

Chapman assumes chair
Edwards discusses his proposal in http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200809/msg00052.html
Edwards:
Reference cd02 for line numbers
Action: Edwards to modify his proposal for the resolution of Assembly-62 to include consideration of constraining types

ASSEMBLY-79 Identifying wire format and operation selection http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-79

Proposal in Jira
Edwards takes up the proposal carried in from the Bindings TC
Resolution: m:Edwards s: Booz Resolve Assembly-79 with the proposal contained in the Jira

ASSEMBLY-81 Duplicated atributes in sca-binding-sca.xsd and sca-implementation-composite.xsd http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-81

Plamen discusses his issue
Resolution: m:Plamen s:Edwards resolve Assembly-81 with the proposal in the Jira w/o

Assembly-16

Edwards opens discussion of his proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200809/msg00053.html so that we may consider at the face to face
AOB
Straggler Roll
<Mike Edwards>
started with 32 open issues
<Mike Edwards>
resolved 3
<Mike Edwards>
opened 0
Adjourned
<Mike Edwards>
we resolved 10% of the outstanding issues - well done !

[End of Minutes]
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