Draft Minutes of 2011-02-08 Attached

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Title: SCA-Assembly - 2011-02-08



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Oasis SCA-Assembly Teleconference

08 FEB 2011

Attendees

Present

Eric Wells	Hitachi, Ltd.	Group Member
Bryan Aupperle	IBM	Group Member
David Booz	IBM	Group Member
Mike Edwards	IBM	Group Member
Simon Holdsworth	IBM	Group Member
Diane Jordan	IBM	Group Member
Mike Kaiser	IBM	Group Member
Peter Niblett	IBM	Group Member
Jeff Estefan	Jet Propulsion Laboratory:*	Group Member
Anish Karmarkar	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Rich Levinson	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Gilbert Pilz	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Sanjay Patil	SAP AG*	Group Member
Plamen Pavlov	SAP AG*	Group Member
Eric Johnson	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member

Chairs

Martin Chapman
Mike Edwards

Scribe

Eric Wells

Agenda:

1. Intro

Roll call
Scribe confirmation
Agenda bashing

2. Approval of minutes of previous SCA-Assembly TC meeting

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/41022/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202011-02-01.html

3. Action Items

id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227
id=2011-01-04-2 status=pending Edwards to write a new proposal for the resolution of Assembly-246 along the lines contained in wsra

4. TC Administrivia

a) Assembly CSD07 status


5. Open Issues (1.1)

None


6. New Issues (1.2)

ASSEMBLY-255: Provide some way to prevent early binding to global domain channels
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-255

ASSEMBLY-256: Why do global channel references use "//"? Should be single "/" to be consistent with URI syntax
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-256


7. 1.2 Specification Open Issues (1.2)

ASSEMBLY-250: Need an equivalent to "autowire" for the eventing world
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-250

Proposal in JIRA
Follow on discussion from previous meeting

Latest discussion:

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201101/msg00041.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201101/msg00030.html


ASSEMBLY-227: Promotion of consumers and producers undermines composability
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-227

Proposal
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201004/msg00044.html
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37273/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.pdf
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37272/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.doc

Latest discussions:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00023.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00022.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00021.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00020.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00019.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00017.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00016.html


ASSEMBLY-235: Remotable interface compatibility should not be restricted to a WSDL 1.1 mapping
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-235

Latest discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00030.html

ASSEMBLY-239: (1.2): Business data filter element needs better name, definition
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-239

Latest discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00033.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00035.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201101/msg00034.html



ASSEMBLY-233: Define how Policy works for SCA Eventing
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-233

No Proposal

ASSEMBLY-243: Is the default channel configurable?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-243

No proposal

ASSEMBLY-244: How to enable extensibility to multiple bindings on a channel
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-244

Outline proposal in JIRA

ASSEMBLY-245: Adopt the WS-RA Event Description specification to declare SCA Event Types
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-245

Proposal in JIRA

ASSEMBLY-246: Provide Location within SCA Contributions for eventType Declarations
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-246

Proposal in JIRA


ASSEMBLY-253: Add Autocreation of Channels to SCA Assembly 1.2
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-253

Latest discussion:



ASSEMBLY-247: What are the requirements on an SCA Binding for eventing purposes?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-247

No proposal

ASSEMBLY-248: RFC2119 wording and conformance statement need to be added for event processing
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-248

No proposal

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Contents

Topics

[1]  Opening

[2]  Action Items

[3]  TC Administrivia

[4]  New Issues (1.2)

[5]  ASSEMBLY-255: Provide some way to prevent early binding to global domain channels
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-255

[6]  ASSEMBLY-256: Why do global channel references use "//"? Should be single "/" to be consistent with URI syntax
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-256

[7]  Open Issues (1.2)

[8]  AOB

Table of Resolutions

Table of Action Items

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Action Items

Done:

id=2011-02-01-1 status=done owner="EricJ" Create proposal for ASSEMBLY-239

id=2011-02-01-2 status=done owner="PeterN" Create proposal for ASSEMBLY-239

Pending:

id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227

id=2011-01-04-2 status=pending Edwards to write a new proposal for the resolution of Assembly-246 along the lines contained in wsra

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Resolutions

• 2011-02-08-1: Minutes of 2011-02-01 approved w/o
• 2011-02-08-2: Close ASSEMBLY-255 with no action - by vote 5 to 3
• 2011-02-08-3: Open ASSEMBLY-256 w/o
• 2011-02-08-4: Resolve ASSEMBLY-256 with proposal in JIRA w/o

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Minutes

Scribe: Eric Wells

Opening

Roll Call 13/19 = 68% Quorate

Agenda - agreed as posted

Approval of minutes from 2011-02-01

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/41022/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202011-02-01.html

Resolution: Minutes of 2011-02-01 approved w/o

Action Items

<Mike Edwards>

2 additional action items:

Action: id=2011-02-01-1 status=done owner="EricJ" Create proposal for ASSEMBLY-239

Action: id=2011-02-01-2 status=done owner="PeterN" Create proposal for ASSEMBLY-239

<Mike Edwards>

both of these are now complete, based on emails sent to the list

Action: id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227

Action: id=2011-01-04-2 status=pending Edwards to write a new proposal for the resolution of Assembly-246 along the lines contained in wsra

TC Administrivia

a) Assembly CSD07 status

MikeE:

Still no action form OASIS Admin - will need to chase

 

...Does JAVA TC name issues affect CSD07?

AnishK:

Shouldn't affect Assembly spec

BryanA:

More impact on 1.2 not 1.1

New Issues (1.2)

ASSEMBLY-255: Provide some way to prevent early binding to global domain channels
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-255

EricJ:

Describes issue

 

...Problem if reference to GDC is within composite

PeterN:

Related to autocreate - if refering to non-existant GDC in composite

MikeE:

Intention is to allow composite to be provided as an "opaque" item

PeterN:

Same issue could arrise WRT external services & references

AnishK:

But content of package is visible to SCA even if external artifact is unknown

 

...also depends on how composite is deployed - if at domain level then apparent local channel can be domain channel

 

...I don't support distinction between global & local channels

EricJ:

Purposely didn't introduce issue WRT service & references - wanted to keep issues separate

<anish>

we don't have similar restriction on reference promotion -- we can't say that the promoted reference must be wired to a service within the SCA domain (as opposed to an external service with a binding)

EricJ:

Provide clarification between service & reference and GDC situations

Motion: Open ASSEMBLY-255 m=EricJ s=None

motion fails due to lack of second

Motion: Close ASSEMBLY-255 with no action m=AnishK s=MikeK

EricJ:

Understand desire to move forward but how should issue be handled?

MikeE:

Feature is sort of thing handled by tooling

 

...also runtime deployment checks

 

...hence don't really need to specify in SCA Assembly model

AnishK:

Don't think it helps assembler - they still need to understand what is required for deployment

 

...has to create channels and figure out what's connected whether local or global channel

No futher discussion

EricJ:

Speaks against motion

Vote: For 5, Against 3, Abstain 1 - motion suceeds

Resolution: Close ASSEMBLY-255 with no action - by vote 5 to 3

<anish>

i remember there was discussion on this in OSOA, can't remember why we ended up with "//". In fact we had something different before

ASSEMBLY-256: Why do global channel references use "//"? Should be single "/" to be consistent with URI syntax
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-256

EricJ:

Don't like syntax of "//"

AnishK:

Was changed from OSOA, but can't remember why

PeterN:

Not really RFC compliant anyway

 

...not used anywhere else

EricJ:

"//" also implies hierarchy (that doesn't exist)

Motion: Open ASSEMBLY-256 m=EricJ s=AnishK

No further discussion no objections

Resolution: Open ASSEMBLY-256 w/o

Consideration of proposed solution - just use single "/"

AnsihK: How does this affect default channel?

MikeE:

"/<blank>" no different from "//<blank>"?

AnishK:

SCA allow all sorts of URI scheme's including hierarchical

 

...I.E. do we need to explicitly name default channel?

MikeE:

Suggest raising new issue if considered to be a problem

Motion: Resolve ASSEMBLY-256 with proposal in JIRA m=EricJ s=BryanA

No discussion - no objection

Resolution: Resolve ASSEMBLY-256 with proposal in JIRA w/o

Open Issues (1.2)

ASSEMBLY-239: (1.2): Business data filter element needs better name, definition
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-239

Latest discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00033.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00035.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201101/msg00034.html

<Mike Edwards>

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00039.html

PeterN:

Reviews his solution (msg00039)

Two minutes left

MikeE:

Out of time today - will add this as first item for discussion during next meeting

AOB

Straggler roll - GilbertP SanjayP

<Mike Edwards>

Thank you for scribing, Eric

<Mike Edwards>

roll is now up to date

EricW:

I can add the link later if needed

EricW:

Roll at http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/events.php?day=1297162800

COB 9:02AM PDT

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