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Subject: Re: [sca-bpel] [ISSUE 18] - Comments on the Proposed Resolutionfor Issue 18 (Section 2.1 of BPEL Spec)


Mike Edwards wrote:
> 
> Anish,
> 
> Sorry if my contribution was not helpful.

Mike,

Apologies, if that is how my email came across. That is certainly not 
what I meant.
You contribution was *indeed* helpful (it always is).
I just wanted to avoid confusion, like what we had last time, on this 
week's call, regarding revision numbers etc

-Anish
--

> 
> I have since sent another contribution to the debate as a response to 
> Martin's email.  In that, I present a view
> which allows us to have clear conformance statements without requiring 
> us to talk about the process of
> "generating" the componentType.  
> 
> I think that this new approach is likely to work out better - not only 
> for BPEL but also for all the other language
> TCs.  The componentType is simply declared - once you have a given 
> implementation artifact, you have
> the componentType.  It does not matter which piece of code calculates 
> it, but any piece of code which uses
> a given implementation artifact is required to obey the rules for the 
> componentType as a whole.
> 
> 
> Yours,  Mike.
> 
> Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO.
> Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC.
> IBM Hursley Park, Mail Point 146, Winchester, SO21 2JN, Great Britain.
> Phone & FAX: +44-1962-818014    Mobile: +44-7802-467431  
> Email:  mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com
> 
> 
> *Anish Karmarkar <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>*
> 
> 31/07/2008 00:43
> 
> 	
> To
> 	Mike Edwards/UK/IBM@IBMGB
> cc
> 	OASIS BPEL <sca-bpel@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Subject
> 	Re: [sca-bpel]  [ISSUE 18] - Comments on the Proposed Resolution for 
> Issue 18 (Section 2.1 of BPEL Spec)
> 
> 
> 	
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Mike,
> 
> I wish you had used revision 5 and not revision 9, per my email at
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200807/msg00033.html
> This was a source of some confusion on the call last week.
> 
> Although, I don't think this is necessarily a problem wrt discussing
> issue 18, given that the text in question that you are commenting on is
> mostly unchanged between the two versions. But for those who were
> confused about this last week, please be cognizant of this fact.
> 
> On your comment in section 2.1.2 can you please raise a separate issue
> for this? Don't want to bundle this with 18.
> 
> My comments on your comments:
> 
> 1) +1 to all the editorial fixups (s/sca:service/sca-bpel:service/
> s/sca:reference/sca-bpel:reference/ s/specifies// insertion of 'an' and
> 'attribute).
> 
> 2) WRT change from 'SCA runtime MUST generate ...' to '... MUST be
> generated':
> 
> This change removes the conformance target in the conformance statement.
> IMHO, a conformance statement must specify a target. The target
> addresses the question 'who'. A conformance stmt must answer the
> question 'who', 'what' and the level of conformance.
> 
> For example: A WIDGET MUST be round in shape
> who: WIDGET
> what: round in shape
> conformance level: mandatory
> 
> A WIDGET MAY be made of metal
> who:WIDGET
> what: made of metal
> conformance level: optional
> 
> As a resolution of issue 15 (http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-15) we
> agreed on various conformance targets. I would like to see appropriate
> targets used in conformance statements. It makes testing/compliance much
> easier IMHO.
> 
> I would go further and suggest the following rules for our conformance
> statements:
> 
> 1) Each conformance statement must contain *exactly one* target.
> 2) Each conformance statement must contain *exactly one* RFC 2119 keyword.
> 3) The target in a conformance statement must be capitalized. This makes
> it clear what the target is. I'm suggesting this as a typographic
> convention. It won't change the meaning of the sentence, but in compound
> sentences, it makes things clearer.
> 
> Here is a WS-I Basic Profile requirement example
> (http://www.ws-i.org/Profiles/BasicProfile-1_2(WGAD).html#R2724):
> 
> -----
> R2724  If an INSTANCE receives an envelope that is inconsistent with its
> WSDL description, it SHOULD generate a soap:Fault with a faultcode of
> "Client", unless a "MustUnderstand" or "VersionMismatch" fault is generated.
> -----
> 
> Basic profile has targets such as: instance, description, envelope.
> Since all those words are used in the above requirement, having a
> typographical convention about the target makes it readable.
> 
> -Anish
> --
> 
> Mike Edwards wrote:
>  >
>  > Folks,
>  >
>  > I got the issue number wrong in my original post:
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Yours,  Mike.
>  >
>  > Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO.
>  > Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC.
>  > IBM Hursley Park, Mail Point 146, Winchester, SO21 2JN, Great Britain.
>  > Phone & FAX: +44-1962-818014    Mobile: +44-7802-467431  
>  > Email:  mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com
>  >
>  >
>  > *Mike Edwards/UK/IBM@IBMGB*
>  >
>  > 25/07/2008 16:12
>  >
>  >                  
>  > To
>  >                  "OASIS BPEL" <sca-bpel@lists.oasis-open.org>
>  > cc
>  >                  
>  > Subject
>  >                  [sca-bpel] [ISSUE 30] - Comments on the Proposed 
> Resolution for Issue
>  > 30 (Section 2.1 of BPEL Spec)
>  >
>  >
>  >                  
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Folks,
>  >
>  > Here is a marked up version of the proposed resolution of Issue 30,
>  > based on CD-01-Rev9:
>  >
> 
> 
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > I hope that things are self explanatory - I removed statements talking
>  > about "the SCA runtime MUST..."
>  > since it is better to write in a more general fashion that can be taken
>  > to apply to design time tools as well
>  > as a runtime.
>  >
>  >
>  > You will notice that I think there is a new issue lurking in section
>  > 2.1.1 - I'd appreciate comments in relation to that.
>  >
>  >
>  > Yours,  Mike.
>  >
>  > Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO.
>  > Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC.
>  > IBM Hursley Park, Mail Point 146, Winchester, SO21 2JN, Great Britain.
>  > Phone & FAX: +44-1962-818014    Mobile: +44-7802-467431  
>  > Email:  mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com
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