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Subject: Re: [sca-j] An appeal against TC Admin decision on Java package names
Simon, Thanks for laying out the events and the timelines. One comment: reference [5] is missing a link. -Anish -- Simon Nash wrote: > Dave, > Here is a suggested reply to Eduardo's email. The first paragraph > is written as from me. I'm happy to send this to Eduardo to maintain > continuity from the original suspended appeal. I'm also happy for you > to send it (with the first paragraph suitably reworded) if you prefer. > > To all individuals named on copy: Please send any comments. If you no > longer wish to be part of this appeal, please let me and Dave know. > > To other sca-j TC members: If anyone else wishes to join this appeal, > or if you have any comments, please let me and Dave know. > > Simon > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > To: Eduardo Gutentag > cc: mbgl@us.ibm.com > booz@us.ibm.com > martin.chapman@oracle.com > mcombellack@avaya.com > Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com > jim.marino@gmail.com > michael.rowley@activevos.com > ashok.malhotra@oracle.com > mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com > aupperle@us.ibm.com > psimha@tibco.com > mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org > tc-admin@oasis-open.org > sca-j@lists.oasis-open.org > > Dave and I have spoken about whether or not this appeal should be > considered as a new appeal or a continuation of the previous one > that I initiated and agreed to suspend. We have also consulted the > other appellants. It is the wish of the appellants that this appeal > be treated as a continuation/resumption of the previous appeal. > Apologies that our previous email was not clear about this. > > Accordingly I am copying this email to all the people who were part > of the previous appeal, as well as three other people (Mike Edwards, > Bryan Aupperle and Pradeep Simha) who wish to add their support for > this appeal. Please advise whether or not it is possible for new > appellants to be added to an appeal that is already in progress. > > You are correct that there is relevant history after April 24 which > was inadvertently omitted from the previous email. To summarize, the > interactions so far on the subject have been as follows: > > a) Agreement by OASIS TC Admin to use org.osoa as requested by the TC > (ref. [1]). > > b) Objection by OASIS TC Admin to org.osoa on various grounds, one of > which was that the osoa.org domain is not owned by OASIS. Decision > by OASIS TC Admin to change from org.osoa to org.oasis_open (ref. [2]). > > c) Initiation of appeal against the decision to use org.oasis_open as > the package name prefix (ref. [3]). > > d) Discussions between the appellants and OASIS TC Admin on alternative > prefixes, including the issue of whether or not it is important for > the domain to be owned by OASIS (ref. [4]). > > e) Agreement to suspend the appeal until completion of these discussions > (ref. [5]). > > f) sca-j TC decision to support the use of the package prefix > org.oasisopen, > assuming that the oasisopen.org domain is acquired by OASIS (ref. [6]). > > g) OASIS TC Admin acknowledges this and passes it on to the OASIS IT > department (ref. [7]). > > h) Decision from OASIS TC Admin to require the use of org.oasisopen > without OASIS acquiring the oasisopen.org domain (ref. [8]). > > i) Note from Dave Booz reopening the appeal (ref. [9]). > > The appeal is reopened on the following grounds: > > Technical: > > 1. Contradictory OASIS TC Admin positions on the need for domain ownership > between a) in which lack of domain ownership was used to reject > org.osoa, > d) in which lack of domain ownership was used to reject org.oasis, > and h) > in which lack of domain ownership was stated to not be an issue. A > clear > and consistent OASIS position on domain ownership that follows Java > conventions and industry best practice is needed. > > 2. Using a package prefix without owning the corresponding domain does not > follow Java conventions and industry best practice. Section 7.7 of the > Java Language Specification says: "You form a unique package name by > first > having (or belonging to an organization that has) an Internet domain > name, > such as sun.com. You then reverse this name, component by component, > to obtain, in this example, com.sun, and use this as a prefix for your > package names, using a convention developed within your organization > to further administer package names." > > Procedural: > > 3. The earlier appeal was suspended pending completion of discussions > between OASIS TC Admin and the sca-j TC, but OASIS TC Admin did not > complete those discussions. Instead OASIS TC Admin issued a new > decision h) that they knew to be contrary to the TC's position as > expressed in f), and did not engage in any consultation or discussion > with the TC before issuing that decision. > > Simon Nash Individual OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair > Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Mark Combellack Avaya OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair > Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Jim Marino Individual OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Michael Rowley Active Endpoints OASIS SCA BPEL TC Voting Member > Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Mike Edwards IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Bryan Aupperle IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Pradeep Simha TIBCO Software Inc OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > > [1] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html > > [2] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html > > [3] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200805/msg00003.html > > [4] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200805/msg00003.html > > [5] Simon Nash email to Eduardo Gutentag, 5/8/08 > [6] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/28356/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202008-05-15.doc > > [7] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200805/msg00043.html > > [8] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200811/msg00017.html > > [9] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200811/msg00096.html > > > Eduardo Gutentag wrote: >> To the SCA-J TC: >> >> In accordance with Section 4.2 of the TC Process Document >> (http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/process.php#appeals), >> and before the deadline stipulated in that Section, I hereby >> acknowledge receipt of the appeal included below, and I inform the >> TC of such appeal. >> >> To the appellants: >> >> I must also express deep confusion, as the "detail" section of >> the Procedural part of the appeal stops short (April 24) without >> acknowledging the fact that there was a long thread after that date, >> which included the initiation of a formal appeal (May 2) and its >> subsequent suspension (may 8)[1]. Apart from the fact that this does >> not meet in its entirety the requirement that "Previous efforts to >> resolve the objection(s) and the outcome of each shall be noted.", >> I am not clear as to the relationship between the current appeal and >> the previous one. The previous one was suspended, not terminated, >> so one could think of this as a request to restart it; however, >> since the list of appellants in this case is not completely the same >> as the list of appellants in the previous case, I am assuming, until >> and unless I am told I am wrong, that this is a different appeal. >> >> I am enclosing a couple of relevant email messages, in whose cc >> list many of the current appellants (but not all) were included. >> >> Please be aware that until such time as the appeal may be resolved >> in favor of the appellants, the decisions taken by TC Administration >> are valid and binding. >> >> [1] Because of the very short interval between initiation and >> suspension, there was no opportunity for me at that time to inform >> either the TC or the Board of such an appeal. >> >> >> On 11/26/2008 06:50 AM, David Booz wrote: >>> Please excuse the second email. There is a typo in the (Proposed >>> Resolution) >>> >>> Any references to openoasis.org are incorrect and should be >>> oasisopen.org. >>> >>> Sorry for any confusion. >>> >>> Dave Booz >>> STSM, BPM and SCA Architecture >>> Co-Chair OASIS SCA-Policy TC and SCA-J TC >>> "Distributed objects first, then world hunger" >>> Poughkeepsie, NY (845)-435-6093 or 8-295-6093 >>> e-mail:booz@us.ibm.com >>> ----- Forwarded by David Booz/Poughkeepsie/IBM on 11/26/2008 09:47 AM >>> ----- >>> >>> >>> From: David Booz/Poughkeepsie/IBM >>> >>> To: eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org >>> >>> Cc: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org, sca-j@lists.oasis-open.org, >>> tc-admin@oasis-open.org >>> >>> Date: 11/26/2008 08:10 AM >>> >>> Subject: Appealing TC Admin decision on Java package names >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal >>> the decision by TC Admin attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is >>> being submitted by >>> individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by the OASIS TC Process. >>> In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its backing to this appeal >>> by a unanimous vote. >>> >>> Our grounds for this appeal are as follows. >>> >>> TECHNICAL >>> >>> (Summary) >>> >>> The proposed package name prefix must be controlled by OASIS. >>> >>> (Detail) >>> >>> The decision comes in two parts. >>> >>> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix from >>> "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled by >>> OASIS. >>> 2. The need for OASIS to be able to control the proposed package name >>> prefix of "org.oasisopen". >>> >>> (Proposed Resolution) >>> This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC >>> discussed this and voted [2] not to accept the proposed package name >>> prefix of "org.oasisopen" if it is not controlled by OASIS. If OASIS is >>> unable or unwilling to obtain the use of the "openoasis.org" domain, >>> then the SCA-J TC would rather retain the use of the package name prefix >>> "org.osoa". >>> >>> PROCEDURAL >>> >>> (Summary) >>> >>> Part 2 of the decision is a reversal of the earlier decision which >>> occurred without consultation with the SCA-J TC. >>> >>> (Detail) >>> >>> This issue was raised with TC-Admin on March 2 (ref. [3]). TC-Admin >>> sent a decision on March 7 (ref.[4]) On March 10 TC-Admin asked us to >>> hold off from implementing the decision and said might be a couple of >>> questions to be answered (ref. [5]). >>> >>> Simon Nash (chair at the time) replied to TC-Admin on March 10 (ref. >>> [6]) inviting her or other OASIS staff involved in the decision to >>> discuss this matter with the SCA-J TC. TC-Admin did not respond. On >>> March 25, Simon sent another email (ref. [7]) repeating my invitation to >>> discuss this with the TC. Again, TC-Admin did not respond. >>> >>> On April 3 TC-Admin sent a response (ref. [8]) with a decision that >>> completely reversed the original decision. There had been no >>> consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite two >>> invitations to have this discussion. TC-Admin also indicated that the >>> decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could >>> only be changed by formal appeal. >>> >>> This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons >>> stated above. >>> >>> On April 24 Simon sent TC-Admin an email informing her of this (ref. >>> [9]), with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and >>> asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal. TC-Admin >>> acknowledged the email (ref. [10]) and indicate a reply in a few days. >>> TC-Admin's formal response came on Nov 5 (ref. [1]). >>> >>> At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC >>> has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution >>> through dialogue, >>> despite all efforts to do this. The acceptable resolutions are >>> summarized in the (Proposed Resolution) above. >>> >>> We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal. >>> >>> David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >>> Mark Combellack Avaya OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >>> Simon Nash Individual OASIS SCA-J TC Voting >>> Member >>> Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting >>> Member >>> Jim Marino Individual OASIS SCA-J TC Voting >>> Member >>> Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting >>> Member >>> Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting >>> Member >>> Mike Edwards IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting >>> Member >>> Bryan Aupperle IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting >>> Member >>> Pradeep Simha TIBCO Software Inc OASIS SCA-J TC Voting >>> Member >>> >>> REFERENCES >>> >>> [1] >>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200811/msg00017.html >>> >>> [2] >>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/30068/SCA%20Java%20Face%20to%20Face%20Minutes%202008-11-11%20to%202008-11-13.doc >>> >>> [3] >>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html >>> >>> [4] >>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html >>> >>> [5] >>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html >>> >>> [6] >>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html >>> >>> [7] >>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html >>> >>> [8] >>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html >>> >>> [9] >>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html >>> >>> [10] >>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html >>> >>> >>> Dave Booz >>> STSM, BPM and SCA Architecture >>> Co-Chair OASIS SCA-Policy TC and SCA-J TC >>> "Distributed objects first, then world hunger" >>> Poughkeepsie, NY (845)-435-6093 or 8-295-6093 >>> e-mail:booz@us.ibm.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Subject: >> Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >> From: >> Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com> >> Date: >> Fri, 2 May 2008 17:58:05 +0100 >> To: >> eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org >> >> To: >> eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org >> CC: >> mbgl@us.ibm.com, booz@us.ibm.com, martin.chapman@oracle.com, >> mcombellack@avaya.com, Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, jmarino@bea.com, >> mrowley@bea.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org >> >> >> >> The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal >> the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is >> being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by >> the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its >> backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1. >> >> Our grounds for this appeal are as follows. >> >> TECHNICAL >> >> (Summary) >> >> The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java >> naming conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be >> liked by Java developers. >> >> (Detail) >> >> The decision comes in two parts. >> >> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix >> from "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled >> by OASIS. >> 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by >> the SCA-J TC. >> >> This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC >> discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name >> prefix of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons: >> >> 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java >> naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in package >> names is highly unusual and unconventional. >> >> 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type. >> When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot >> oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing >> these APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be >> entered. Both of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers. >> >> 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name >> prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package >> names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package >> names in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint. >> >> The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the >> convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third >> Edition, section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name. In order >> to produce an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would >> need to be derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC >> discussed some options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to >> OASIS as being suitable and acceptable. This would require that OASIS >> acquires the corresponding domain name, which is currently available. >> >> PROCEDURAL >> >> (Summary) >> >> This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier >> decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite >> multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue. >> >> (Detail) >> >> This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a >> decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold off >> from implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of >> questions to be answered (ref. [4]). >> >> I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS >> staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J >> TC. She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref. >> [6]) repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she >> did not respond. >> >> On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that >> completely reversed the original decision. There had been no >> consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my >> two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that the >> decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could >> only be changed by formal appeal. >> >> This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons >> stated above. >> >> On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), >> with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and >> asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She >> acknowledged the email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in >> a few days. She has not done so. >> >> At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC >> has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution >> through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this. >> >> We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal. >> >> Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >> Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >> Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member >> >> >> REFERENCES >> >> [1] >> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html >> >> [2] >> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html >> >> [3] >> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html >> >> [4] >> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html >> >> [5] >> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html >> >> [6] >> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html >> >> [7] >> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html >> >> [8] >> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html >> >> >> >> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer >> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology >> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> / >> / >> >> /Unless stated otherwise above: >> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with >> number 741598. >> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 >> 3AU/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Subject: >> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >> From: >> Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com> >> Date: >> Fri, 2 May 2008 20:12:27 +0100 >> To: >> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> >> >> To: >> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> >> CC: >> Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, >> booz@us.ibm.com, eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org, jmarino@bea.com, >> martin.chapman@oracle.com, Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, >> mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, mrowley@bea.com >> >> >> >> Mary, >> The domain oasisopen.org is already owned by someone else, as is the >> domain oasis.org. If OASIS is willing to offer the prefix >> org.oasisopen despite not having ownership of oasisopen.org, would >> OASIS be willing to offer the prefix org.oasis? It would seem >> inconsistent to offer one of these but not the other. >> >> The TC proposed org.oasisj because the oasisj.org domain is currently >> unowned and therefore available for acquisition by OASIS. If this is >> not a constraint, my personal preference would be org.oasis. In >> expressing this preference I am speaking for myself and not on behalf >> of the TC. >> >> Simon >> >> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer >> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology >> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 >> >> >> *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>* >> Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com> >> >> 02/05/2008 19:49 >> Please respond to >> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> >> >> >> >> To >> Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB, <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org> >> cc >> <mbgl@us.ibm.com>, <booz@us.ibm.com>, <martin.chapman@oracle.com>, >> <mcombellack@avaya.com>, <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>, >> <jmarino@bea.com>, <mrowley@bea.com>, <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> >> Subject >> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> My apologies for not sending a formal response sooner – I have been >> at the OASIS Symposium all week attending sessions and meetings and >> literally just arrived home after a red-eye flight. I spoke with Mike >> Edwards about this on Tuesday at the member reception. While the use >> of the underscore is the recommended practice, we (OASIS staff) all >> agree that underscores are thorny characters and would prefer to omit >> them. I asked Mike if he thought simply dropping the hyphen would be >> acceptable and he indicated that he thought it would – i.e. >> org.oasisopen.csa. >> Eduardo, in the role of interim President, has been part of this >> conversation. If the above is acceptable to the TC, please acknowledge. >> >> Regards, >> >> Mary >> >> *From:* Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com] * >> Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 12:58 PM* >> To:* eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org* >> Cc:* mbgl@us.ibm.com; booz@us.ibm.com; martin.chapman@oracle.com; >> mcombellack@avaya.com; Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com; jmarino@bea.com; >> mrowley@bea.com; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org* >> Subject:* Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >> >> >> The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal >> the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is >> being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by >> the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its >> backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1. >> >> Our grounds for this appeal are as follows. >> >> TECHNICAL >> >> (Summary) >> >> The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java >> naming conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be >> liked by Java developers. >> >> (Detail) >> >> The decision comes in two parts. >> >> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix >> from "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled >> by OASIS. >> 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by >> the SCA-J TC. >> >> This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC >> discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name >> prefix of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons: >> >> 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java >> naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in package >> names is highly unusual and unconventional. >> >> 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type. >> When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot >> oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing >> these APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be >> entered. Both of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers. >> >> 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name >> prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package >> names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package >> names in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint. >> >> The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the >> convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third >> Edition, section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name. In order >> to produce an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would >> need to be derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC >> discussed some options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to >> OASIS as being suitable and acceptable. This would require that OASIS >> acquires the corresponding domain name, which is currently available. >> >> PROCEDURAL >> >> (Summary) >> >> This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier >> decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite >> multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue. >> >> (Detail) >> >> This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a >> decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold off >> from implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of >> questions to be answered (ref. [4]). >> >> I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS >> staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J >> TC. She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref. >> [6]) repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she >> did not respond. >> >> On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that >> completely reversed the original decision. There had been no >> consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my >> two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that the >> decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could >> only be changed by formal appeal. >> >> This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons >> stated above. >> >> On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), >> with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and >> asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She >> acknowledged the email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in >> a few days. She has not done so. >> >> At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC >> has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution >> through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this. >> >> We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal. >> >> Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >> Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >> Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member >> >> >> REFERENCES >> >> [1] >> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html_ >> >> [2] >> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html_ >> >> [3] >> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html_ >> >> [4] >> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html_ >> >> [5] >> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html_ >> >> [6] >> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html_ >> >> [7] >> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html_ >> >> [8] >> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html_ >> >> >> >> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer >> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology >> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> /Unless stated otherwise above: >> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with >> number 741598. >> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 >> 3AU/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> / >> / >> >> /Unless stated otherwise above: >> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with >> number 741598. >> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 >> 3AU/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Subject: >> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >> From: >> Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com> >> Date: >> Mon, 5 May 2008 22:02:15 +0100 >> To: >> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> >> >> To: >> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> >> CC: >> Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, >> booz@us.ibm.com, eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org, jmarino@bea.com, >> martin.chapman@oracle.com, "'Mary McRae'" <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, >> mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, mrowley@bea.com >> >> >> >> Mary, >> Thanks for the clarification. I understand the distinction and I will >> put this on the agenda for this week's SCA-J TC call. >> >> Simon >> >> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer >> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology >> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 >> >> >> *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>* >> Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com> >> >> 03/05/2008 17:27 >> Please respond to >> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> >> >> >> >> To >> Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB >> cc >> <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>, <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>, >> <booz@us.ibm.com>, <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>, >> <jmarino@bea.com>, <martin.chapman@oracle.com>, "'Mary McRae'" >> <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, <mbgl@us.ibm.com>, <mcombellack@avaya.com>, >> <mrowley@bea.com> >> Subject >> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes – oasisopen.org appears to be owned by someone just sitting on the >> domain – if it’s agreeable we can look into what it would take to >> purchase it if that’s absolutely required. Conversely, oasis.org is a >> live site – a gift/trade show, which is not an acceptable solution. >> >> Mary >> >> *From:* Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com] * >> Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 3:12 PM* >> To:* mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org* >> Cc:* Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; >> booz@us.ibm.com; eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org; jmarino@bea.com; >> martin.chapman@oracle.com; Mary McRae; mbgl@us.ibm.com; >> mcombellack@avaya.com; mrowley@bea.com* >> Subject:* RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >> >> >> Mary, >> The domain oasisopen.org is already owned by someone else, as is the >> domain oasis.org. If OASIS is willing to offer the prefix >> org.oasisopen despite not having ownership of oasisopen.org, would >> OASIS be willing to offer the prefix org.oasis? It would seem >> inconsistent to offer one of these but not the other. >> >> The TC proposed org.oasisj because the oasisj.org domain is currently >> unowned and therefore available for acquisition by OASIS. If this is >> not a constraint, my personal preference would be org.oasis. In >> expressing this preference I am speaking for myself and not on behalf >> of the TC. >> >> Simon >> >> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer >> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology >> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 >> >> *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>* >> Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com> >> >> 02/05/2008 19:49 >> >> >> Please respond to >> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> >> >> >> >> To >> Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB, <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org> >> cc >> <mbgl@us.ibm.com>, <booz@us.ibm.com>, <martin.chapman@oracle.com>, >> <mcombellack@avaya.com>, <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>, >> <jmarino@bea.com>, <mrowley@bea.com>, <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> >> Subject >> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> My apologies for not sending a formal response sooner – I have been >> at the OASIS Symposium all week attending sessions and meetings and >> literally just arrived home after a red-eye flight. I spoke with Mike >> Edwards about this on Tuesday at the member reception. While the use >> of the underscore is the recommended practice, we (OASIS staff) all >> agree that underscores are thorny characters and would prefer to omit >> them. I asked Mike if he thought simply dropping the hyphen would be >> acceptable and he indicated that he thought it would – i.e. >> org.oasisopen.csa. >> Eduardo, in the role of interim President, has been part of this >> conversation. If the above is acceptable to the TC, please acknowledge. >> >> Regards, >> >> Mary >> * >> From:* Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com] * >> Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 12:58 PM* >> To:* eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org* >> Cc:* mbgl@us.ibm.com; booz@us.ibm.com; martin.chapman@oracle.com; >> mcombellack@avaya.com; Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com; jmarino@bea.com; >> mrowley@bea.com; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org* >> Subject:* Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >> >> >> The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal >> the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is >> being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by >> the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its >> backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1. >> >> Our grounds for this appeal are as follows. >> >> TECHNICAL >> >> (Summary) >> >> The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java >> naming conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be >> liked by Java developers. >> >> (Detail) >> >> The decision comes in two parts. >> >> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix >> from "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled >> by OASIS. >> 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by >> the SCA-J TC. >> >> This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC >> discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name >> prefix of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons: >> >> 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java >> naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in package >> names is highly unusual and unconventional. >> >> 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type. >> When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot >> oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing >> these APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be >> entered. Both of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers. >> >> 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name >> prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package >> names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package >> names in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint. >> >> The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the >> convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third >> Edition, section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name. In order >> to produce an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would >> need to be derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC >> discussed some options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to >> OASIS as being suitable and acceptable. This would require that OASIS >> acquires the corresponding domain name, which is currently available. >> >> PROCEDURAL >> >> (Summary) >> >> This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier >> decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite >> multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue. >> >> (Detail) >> >> This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a >> decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold off >> from implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of >> questions to be answered (ref. [4]). >> >> I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS >> staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J >> TC. She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref. >> [6]) repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she >> did not respond. >> >> On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that >> completely reversed the original decision. There had been no >> consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my >> two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that the >> decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could >> only be changed by formal appeal. >> >> This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons >> stated above. >> >> On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), >> with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and >> asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She >> acknowledged the email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in >> a few days. She has not done so. >> >> At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC >> has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution >> through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this. >> >> We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal. >> >> Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >> Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >> Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member >> >> >> REFERENCES >> >> [1] >> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html_ >> >> [2] >> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html_ >> >> [3] >> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html_ >> >> [4] >> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html_ >> >> [5] >> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html_ >> >> [6] >> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html_ >> >> [7] >> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html_ >> >> [8] >> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html_ >> >> >> >> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer >> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology >> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> /Unless stated otherwise above: >> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with >> number 741598. >> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 >> 3AU/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> /Unless stated otherwise above: >> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with >> number 741598. >> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 >> 3AU/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> / >> / >> >> /Unless stated otherwise above: >> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with >> number 741598. >> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 >> 3AU/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Subject: >> Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >> From: >> Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com> >> Date: >> Thu, 8 May 2008 12:14:31 +0100 >> To: >> Eduardo Gutentag <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org> >> >> To: >> Eduardo Gutentag <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org> >> CC: >> Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, >> booz@us.ibm.com, jmarino@bea.com, martin.chapman@oracle.com, >> mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org, mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, >> mrowley@bea.com >> >> >> >> The appellants would like this appeal to be put into abeyance until >> the current round of discussions on this subject has completed. >> >> Many thanks. >> >> Simon >> >> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer >> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology >> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 >> >> >> *Eduardo Gutentag <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>* >> >> 06/05/2008 15:42 >> >> >> To >> Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB >> cc >> Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, >> booz@us.ibm.com, jmarino@bea.com, martin.chapman@oracle.com, >> mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org, mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, >> mrowley@bea.com >> Subject >> Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It is in abeyance (that is, suspended) until one of three things >> happen: >> >> a) the appellants withdraw their appeal, in which case it just goes >> away >> >> b) the appellants re-instate their appeal, in which case the clock >> starts ticking again >> >> c) the appellants change their original appeal into something else, >> in which case the clock is reset to 00:00 >> >> >> >> On 05/06/2008 06:37 AM, Simon Nash wrote: >> > >> > Eduardo, >> > A new proposal has been made by Mary and this is now under >> discussion by >> > the SCA-J TC. Please can you confirm where we now stand regarding the >> > 30-day limit for appeals. Does the new thread of discussion >> nullify the >> > previous 30-day deadline and reset the 30-day clock? If it does, >> then I >> > would be OK with putting the appeal into abeyance until the current >> > discussion thread has concluded. >> > >> > Simon >> > >> > Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer >> > Member of the IBM Academy of Technology >> > Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 >> > >> > >> > *Eduardo Gutentag <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>* >> > >> > 05/05/2008 22:17 >> > >> > > To >> > Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB >> > cc >> > mbgl@us.ibm.com, booz@us.ibm.com, >> martin.chapman@oracle.com, >> > mcombellack@avaya.com, Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, jmarino@bea.com, >> > mrowley@bea.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org >> > Subject >> > Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package >> names >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > I hereby acknowledge receipt of this appeal. >> > >> > However, given what appears to be an active thread of >> > negotiating messages back and forth between the appellants >> > and OASIS TC Administration, I need to know whether the >> > appeal still stands as is, or whether it should be put in >> > abeyance until further notice one way or another from the >> > appellants. >> > >> > I will proceed no further until I receive a clear message >> > from the appellants specifying that the appeal stands exactly >> > as originally sent. >> > >> > >> > On 05/02/2008 09:58 AM, Simon Nash wrote: >> > > >> > > The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to >> appeal >> > > the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This >> appeal is >> > > being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as >> required by >> > > the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to >> add its >> > > backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1. >> > > >> > > Our grounds for this appeal are as follows. >> > > >> > > TECHNICAL >> > > >> > > (Summary) >> > > >> > > The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java >> naming >> > > conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be >> liked by >> > > Java developers. >> > > >> > > (Detail) >> > > >> > > The decision comes in two parts. >> > > >> > > 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name >> prefix from >> > > "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is >> controlled by >> > OASIS. >> > > 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be >> used by >> > > the SCA-J TC. >> > > >> > > This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC >> > > discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name >> prefix >> > > of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons: >> > > >> > > 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java >> > > naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in >> package >> > > names is highly unusual and unconventional. >> > > >> > > 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to >> type. >> > > When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say >> "org dot >> > > oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When >> typing these >> > > APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be >> entered. Both >> > > of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers. >> > > >> > > 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name >> > > prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, >> package >> > > names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA >> package names >> > > in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint. >> > > >> > > The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the >> > > convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third >> Edition, >> > > section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name. In order to >> produce >> > > an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would need >> to be >> > > derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC discussed some >> > > options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to OASIS as >> being >> > > suitable and acceptable. This would require that OASIS acquires >> the >> > > corresponding domain name, which is currently available. >> > > >> > > PROCEDURAL >> > > >> > > (Summary) >> > > >> > > This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the >> earlier >> > > decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC >> despite >> > > multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue. >> > > >> > > (Detail) >> > > >> > > This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a >> > > decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold >> off from >> > > implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of >> questions to >> > > be answered (ref. [4]). >> > > >> > > I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other >> OASIS >> > > staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the >> SCA-J TC. >> > > She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref. [6]) >> > > repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she >> did not >> > > respond. >> > > >> > > On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that >> > > completely reversed the original decision. There had been no >> > > consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, >> despite my >> > > two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated >> that the >> > > decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it >> could >> > > only be changed by formal appeal. >> > > >> > > This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons >> > > stated above. >> > > >> > > On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. >> [7]), with >> > > a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and >> asking if >> > > we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She >> acknowledged the >> > > email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in a few >> days. She >> > > has not done so. >> > > >> > > At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and >> the TC >> > > has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution >> > > through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this. >> > > >> > > We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal >> appeal. >> > > >> > > Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >> > > Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >> > > Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> > > David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> > > Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> > > Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC >> Voting Member >> > > Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> > > Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC >> Voting Member >> > > Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member >> > > >> > > >> > > REFERENCES >> > > >> > > [1] >> > > >> > >> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html >> >> > >> > > >> > > [2] >> > > >> > < >> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html >> >> > >> > > >> > > [3] >> > > >> > >> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html >> >> > >> > > >> > > [4] >> > > >> > >> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html >> >> > >> > > >> > > [5] >> > > >> > >> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html >> >> > >> > > >> > > [6] >> > > >> > >> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html >> >> > >> > > >> > > [7] >> > > >> > >> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html >> >> > >> > > >> > > [8] >> > > >> > >> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer >> > > Member of the IBM Academy of Technology >> > > Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > >> > > / >> > > / >> > > >> > > /Unless stated otherwise above: >> > > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales >> with number >> > > 741598. >> > > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire >> > PO6 3AU/ >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > Eduardo Gutentag >> > OASIS President >> > eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org >> > +1 510-550-4616 >> > >> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > / >> > / >> > >> > /Unless stated otherwise above: >> > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with >> number >> > 741598. >> > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire >> PO6 3AU/ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Eduardo Gutentag >> OASIS President >> eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org >> +1 510-550-4616 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> / >> / >> >> /Unless stated otherwise above: >> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with >> number 741598. >> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 >> 3AU/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Subject: >> Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >> From: >> Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com> >> Date: >> Tue, 20 May 2008 14:41:45 +0100 >> To: >> mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org >> >> To: >> mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org >> CC: >> Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, >> booz@us.ibm.com, eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org, jmarino@bea.com, >> martin.chapman@oracle.com, "Mary McRae" <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, >> mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, mrowley@bea.com >> >> >> >> Mary, >> My apologies for the delay in getting back to you. The sca-j TC >> discussed this at our last meeting and passed the following motion: >> >> "The sca-j TC supports the use of the package prefix org.oasisopen, >> assuming that the oasisopen.org domain is acquired by OASIS." >> >> If this is acceptable to OASIS, please can you contact the current >> owner of oasisopen.org and come back to us when you know whether it is >> possible to agree terms for OASIS to acquire this domain. >> >> Many thanks. >> >> Simon >> >> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer >> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology >> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 >> >> >> *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>* >> Sent by: marypmcrae@gmail.com >> >> 20/05/2008 14:11 >> Please respond to >> mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org >> >> >> >> To >> Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB >> cc >> Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, >> booz@us.ibm.com, eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org, jmarino@bea.com, >> martin.chapman@oracle.com, "Mary McRae" <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, >> mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, mrowley@bea.com >> Subject >> Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Simon, >> >> Any update on this issue? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mary >> >> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Mary McRae >> <_mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>> wrote: >> Yes – _oasisopen.org_ <http://oasisopen.org/> appears to be owned by >> someone just sitting on the domain – if it's agreeable we can look >> into what it would take to purchase it if that's absolutely required. >> Conversely, _oasis.org_ <http://oasis.org/> is a live site – a >> gift/trade show, which is not an acceptable solution. >> >> >> >> Mary >> >> >> >> *From:* Simon Nash [mailto:_NASH@uk.ibm.com_ <mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com>] * >> Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 3:12 PM* >> To:* _mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>* >> Cc:* _Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com_ <mailto:Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>; >> _ashok.malhotra@oracle.com_ <mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>; >> _booz@us.ibm.com_ <mailto:booz@us.ibm.com>; >> _eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org_ >> <mailto:eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>; _jmarino@bea.com_ >> <mailto:jmarino@bea.com>; _martin.chapman@oracle.com_ >> <mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com>; Mary McRae; _mbgl@us.ibm.com_ >> <mailto:mbgl@us.ibm.com>; _mcombellack@avaya.com_ >> <mailto:mcombellack@avaya.com>; _mrowley@bea.com_ >> <mailto:mrowley@bea.com> >> >> * >> Subject:* RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >> >> >> >> >> Mary, >> The domain _oasisopen.org_ <http://oasisopen.org/> is already owned by >> someone else, as is the domain _oasis.org_ <http://oasis.org/>. If >> OASIS is willing to offer the prefix org.oasisopen despite not having >> ownership of _oasisopen.org_ <http://oasisopen.org/>, would OASIS be >> willing to offer the prefix org.oasis? It would seem inconsistent to >> offer one of these but not the other. >> >> The TC proposed org.oasisj because the _oasisj.org_ >> <http://oasisj.org/> domain is currently unowned and therefore >> available for acquisition by OASIS. If this is not a constraint, my >> personal preference would be org.oasis. In expressing this preference >> I am speaking for myself and not on behalf of the TC. >> >> Simon >> >> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer >> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology >> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 >> >> *"Mary McRae" <**_mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_* >> <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>*>* >> Sent by: Mary McRae <_marypmcrae@gmail.com_ >> <mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com>> >> >> 02/05/2008 19:49 >> >> >> Please respond to >> <_mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>> >> >> >> >> To >> Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB, <_eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org_ >> <mailto:eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>> >> cc >> <_mbgl@us.ibm.com_ <mailto:mbgl@us.ibm.com>>, <_booz@us.ibm.com_ >> <mailto:booz@us.ibm.com>>, <_martin.chapman@oracle.com_ >> <mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com>>, <_mcombellack@avaya.com_ >> <mailto:mcombellack@avaya.com>>, <_Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com_ >> <mailto:Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>>, <_jmarino@bea.com_ >> <mailto:jmarino@bea.com>>, <_mrowley@bea.com_ >> <mailto:mrowley@bea.com>>, <_ashok.malhotra@oracle.com_ >> <mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>> >> Subject >> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> My apologies for not sending a formal response sooner – I have been >> at the OASIS Symposium all week attending sessions and meetings and >> literally just arrived home after a red-eye flight. I spoke with Mike >> Edwards about this on Tuesday at the member reception. While the use >> of the underscore is the recommended practice, we (OASIS staff) all >> agree that underscores are thorny characters and would prefer to omit >> them. I asked Mike if he thought simply dropping the hyphen would be >> acceptable and he indicated that he thought it would – i.e. >> org.oasisopen.csa. >> Eduardo, in the role of interim President, has been part of this >> conversation. If the above is acceptable to the TC, please acknowledge. >> >> Regards, >> >> Mary >> * >> From:* Simon Nash [mailto:_NASH@uk.ibm.com_ <mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com>] * >> Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 12:58 PM* >> To:* _eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org_ >> <mailto:eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>* >> Cc:* _mbgl@us.ibm.com_ <mailto:mbgl@us.ibm.com>; _booz@us.ibm.com_ >> <mailto:booz@us.ibm.com>; _martin.chapman@oracle.com_ >> <mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com>; _mcombellack@avaya.com_ >> <mailto:mcombellack@avaya.com>; _Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com_ >> <mailto:Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>; _jmarino@bea.com_ >> <mailto:jmarino@bea.com>; _mrowley@bea.com_ <mailto:mrowley@bea.com>; >> _ashok.malhotra@oracle.com_ <mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>; >> _mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>* >> Subject:* Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >> >> >> The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal >> the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is >> being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by >> the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its >> backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1. >> >> Our grounds for this appeal are as follows. >> >> TECHNICAL >> >> (Summary) >> >> The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java >> naming conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be >> liked by Java developers. >> >> (Detail) >> >> The decision comes in two parts. >> >> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix >> from "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled >> by OASIS. >> 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by >> the SCA-J TC. >> >> This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC >> discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name >> prefix of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons: >> >> 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java >> naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in package >> names is highly unusual and unconventional. >> >> 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type. >> When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot >> oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing >> these APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be >> entered. Both of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers. >> >> 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name >> prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package >> names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package >> names in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint. >> >> The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the >> convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third >> Edition, section 7.7) to the "_oasis-open.org_ >> <http://oasis-open.org/>" domain name. In order to produce an >> acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would need to be >> derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC discussed some >> options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to OASIS as being >> suitable and acceptable. This would require that OASIS acquires the >> corresponding domain name, which is currently available. >> >> PROCEDURAL >> >> (Summary) >> >> This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier >> decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite >> multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue. >> >> (Detail) >> >> This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a >> decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold off >> from implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of >> questions to be answered (ref. [4]). >> >> I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS >> staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J >> TC. She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref. >> [6]) repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she >> did not respond. >> >> On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that >> completely reversed the original decision. There had been no >> consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my >> two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that the >> decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could >> only be changed by formal appeal. >> >> This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons >> stated above. >> >> On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), >> with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and >> asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She >> acknowledged the email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in >> a few days. She has not done so. >> >> At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC >> has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution >> through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this. >> >> We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal. >> >> Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >> Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >> Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member >> >> >> REFERENCES >> >> [1] >> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html_ >> >> [2] >> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html_ >> >> [3] >> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html_ >> >> [4] >> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html_ >> >> [5] >> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html_ >> >> [6] >> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html_ >> >> [7] >> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html_ >> >> [8] >> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html_ >> >> >> >> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer >> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology >> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> /Unless stated otherwise above: >> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with >> number 741598. >> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 >> 3AU/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> /Unless stated otherwise above: >> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with >> number 741598. >> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 >> 3AU/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mary P McRae >> Manager of TC Administration, OASIS_ >> __mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> >> voip: 603.232.9090 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> / >> / >> >> /Unless stated otherwise above: >> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with >> number 741598. >> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 >> 3AU/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >> generates this mail. 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