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Subject: Re: [sca-j] An appeal against TC Admin decision on Java package names


Simon,

Thanks for laying out the events and the timelines.
One comment: reference [5] is missing a link.

-Anish
--

Simon Nash wrote:
> Dave,
> Here is a suggested reply to Eduardo's email.  The first paragraph
> is written as from me.  I'm happy to send this to Eduardo to maintain
> continuity from the original suspended appeal.  I'm also happy for you
> to send it (with the first paragraph suitably reworded) if you prefer.
> 
> To all individuals named on copy: Please send any comments.  If you no
> longer wish to be part of this appeal, please let me and Dave know.
> 
> To other sca-j TC members: If anyone else wishes to join this appeal,
> or if you have any comments, please let me and Dave know.
> 
>   Simon
> 
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> 
> To: Eduardo Gutentag
> cc: mbgl@us.ibm.com
>     booz@us.ibm.com
>     martin.chapman@oracle.com
>     mcombellack@avaya.com
>     Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com
>     jim.marino@gmail.com
>     michael.rowley@activevos.com
>     ashok.malhotra@oracle.com
>     mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com
>     aupperle@us.ibm.com
>     psimha@tibco.com
>     mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
>     tc-admin@oasis-open.org
>     sca-j@lists.oasis-open.org
> 
> Dave and I have spoken about whether or not this appeal should be
> considered as a new appeal or a continuation of the previous one
> that I initiated and agreed to suspend.  We have also consulted the
> other appellants.  It is the wish of the appellants that this appeal
> be treated as a continuation/resumption of the previous appeal.
> Apologies that our previous email was not clear about this.
> 
> Accordingly I am copying this email to all the people who were part
> of the previous appeal, as well as three other people (Mike Edwards,
> Bryan Aupperle and Pradeep Simha) who wish to add their support for
> this appeal.  Please advise whether or not it is possible for new
> appellants to be added to an appeal that is already in progress.
> 
> You are correct that there is relevant history after April 24 which
> was inadvertently omitted from the previous email.  To summarize, the
> interactions so far on the subject have been as follows:
> 
> a) Agreement by OASIS TC Admin to use org.osoa as requested by the TC
>    (ref. [1]).
> 
> b) Objection by OASIS TC Admin to org.osoa on various grounds, one of
>    which was that the osoa.org domain is not owned by OASIS.  Decision
>    by OASIS TC Admin to change from org.osoa to org.oasis_open (ref. [2]).
> 
> c) Initiation of appeal against the decision to use org.oasis_open as
>    the package name prefix (ref. [3]).
> 
> d) Discussions between the appellants and OASIS TC Admin on alternative
>    prefixes, including the issue of whether or not it is important for
>    the domain to be owned by OASIS (ref. [4]).
> 
> e) Agreement to suspend the appeal until completion of these discussions
>    (ref. [5]).
> 
> f) sca-j TC decision to support the use of the package prefix 
> org.oasisopen,
>    assuming that the oasisopen.org domain is acquired by OASIS (ref. [6]).
> 
> g) OASIS TC Admin acknowledges this and passes it on to the OASIS IT
>    department (ref. [7]).
> 
> h) Decision from OASIS TC Admin to require the use of org.oasisopen
>    without OASIS acquiring the oasisopen.org domain (ref. [8]).
> 
> i) Note from Dave Booz reopening the appeal (ref. [9]).
> 
> The appeal is reopened on the following grounds:
> 
> Technical:
> 
> 1. Contradictory OASIS TC Admin positions on the need for domain ownership
>    between a) in which lack of domain ownership was used to reject 
> org.osoa,
>    d) in which lack of domain ownership was used to reject org.oasis, 
> and h)
>    in which lack of domain ownership was stated to not be an issue.  A 
> clear
>    and consistent OASIS position on domain ownership that follows Java
>    conventions and industry best practice is needed.
> 
> 2. Using a package prefix without owning the corresponding domain does not
>    follow Java conventions and industry best practice.  Section 7.7 of the
>    Java Language Specification says: "You form a unique package name by 
> first
>    having (or belonging to an organization that has) an Internet domain 
> name,
>    such as sun.com. You then reverse this name, component by component,
>    to obtain, in this example, com.sun, and use this as a prefix for your
>    package names, using a convention developed within your organization
>    to further administer package names."
> 
> Procedural:
> 
> 3. The earlier appeal was suspended pending completion of discussions
>    between OASIS TC Admin and the sca-j TC, but OASIS TC Admin did not
>    complete those discussions.  Instead OASIS TC Admin issued a new
>    decision h) that they knew to be contrary to the TC's position as
>    expressed in f), and did not engage in any consultation or discussion
>    with the TC before issuing that decision.
> 
>  Simon Nash         Individual            OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>  David Booz         IBM                   OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>  Michael Beisiegel  IBM                   OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>  Martin Chapman     Oracle Corporation    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>  Mark Combellack    Avaya                 OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>  Anish Karmarkar    Oracle Corporation    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>  Jim Marino         Individual            OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>  Michael Rowley     Active Endpoints      OASIS SCA BPEL TC Voting Member
>  Ashok Malhotra     Oracle Corporation    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>  Mike Edwards       IBM                   OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>  Bryan Aupperle     IBM                   OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>  Pradeep Simha      TIBCO Software Inc    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> 
> [1] 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html 
> 
> [2] 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html 
> 
> [3] 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200805/msg00003.html 
> 
> [4] 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200805/msg00003.html 
> 
> [5] Simon Nash email to Eduardo Gutentag, 5/8/08
> [6] 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/28356/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202008-05-15.doc 
> 
> [7] 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200805/msg00043.html 
> 
> [8] 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200811/msg00017.html 
> 
> [9] 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200811/msg00096.html 
> 
> 
> Eduardo Gutentag wrote:
>> To the SCA-J TC:
>>
>> In accordance with Section 4.2 of the TC Process Document
>> (http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/process.php#appeals),
>> and before the deadline stipulated in that Section, I hereby
>> acknowledge receipt of the appeal included below, and I inform the
>> TC of such appeal.
>>
>> To the appellants:
>>
>> I must also express deep confusion, as the "detail" section of
>> the Procedural part of the appeal stops short (April 24) without
>> acknowledging the fact that there was a long thread after that date,
>> which included the initiation of a formal appeal (May 2) and its
>> subsequent suspension (may 8)[1]. Apart from the fact that this does
>> not meet in its entirety the requirement that "Previous efforts to
>> resolve the objection(s) and the outcome of each shall be noted.",
>> I am not clear as to the relationship between the current appeal and
>> the previous one.  The previous one was suspended, not terminated,
>> so one could think of this as a request to restart it; however,
>> since the list of appellants in this case is not completely the same
>> as the list of appellants in the previous case, I am assuming, until
>> and unless I am told I am wrong, that this is a different appeal.
>>
>> I am enclosing a couple of relevant email messages, in whose cc
>> list many of the current appellants (but not all) were included.
>>
>> Please be aware that until such time as the appeal may be resolved
>> in favor of the appellants, the decisions taken by TC Administration
>> are valid and binding.
>>
>> [1] Because of the very short interval between initiation and
>> suspension, there was no opportunity for me at that time to inform
>> either the TC or the Board of such an appeal.
>>
>>
>> On 11/26/2008 06:50 AM, David Booz wrote:
>>> Please excuse the second email. There is a typo in the (Proposed 
>>> Resolution)
>>>
>>> Any references to openoasis.org are incorrect and should be 
>>> oasisopen.org.
>>>
>>> Sorry for any confusion.
>>>
>>> Dave Booz
>>> STSM, BPM and SCA Architecture
>>> Co-Chair OASIS SCA-Policy TC and SCA-J TC
>>> "Distributed objects first, then world hunger"
>>> Poughkeepsie, NY (845)-435-6093 or 8-295-6093
>>> e-mail:booz@us.ibm.com
>>> ----- Forwarded by David Booz/Poughkeepsie/IBM on 11/26/2008 09:47 AM 
>>> -----
>>>
>>>
>>> From:   David Booz/Poughkeepsie/IBM
>>>
>>> To:   eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org
>>>
>>> Cc:   mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org, sca-j@lists.oasis-open.org,
>>> tc-admin@oasis-open.org
>>>
>>> Date:   11/26/2008 08:10 AM
>>>
>>> Subject:   Appealing TC Admin decision on Java package names
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal
>>> the decision by TC Admin attached below (ref. [1]).  This appeal is
>>> being submitted by
>>> individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by the OASIS TC Process.
>>>  In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its backing to this appeal
>>> by a unanimous vote.
>>>
>>> Our grounds for this appeal are as follows.
>>>
>>> TECHNICAL
>>>
>>> (Summary)
>>>
>>> The proposed package name prefix must be controlled by OASIS.
>>>
>>> (Detail)
>>>
>>> The decision comes in two parts.
>>>
>>> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix from
>>> "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled by 
>>> OASIS.
>>> 2. The need for OASIS to be able to control the proposed package name
>>> prefix of "org.oasisopen".
>>>
>>>  (Proposed Resolution)
>>> This appeal concerns the second part of the decision.  The SCA-J TC
>>> discussed this and voted [2] not to accept the proposed package name
>>> prefix of "org.oasisopen" if it is not controlled by OASIS.  If OASIS is
>>> unable or unwilling to obtain the use of the "openoasis.org" domain,
>>> then the SCA-J TC would rather retain the use of the package name prefix
>>> "org.osoa".
>>>
>>> PROCEDURAL
>>>
>>> (Summary)
>>>
>>> Part 2 of the decision is a reversal of the earlier decision which
>>> occurred without consultation with the SCA-J TC.
>>>
>>> (Detail)
>>>
>>> This issue was raised with TC-Admin on March 2 (ref. [3]).  TC-Admin
>>> sent a decision on March 7 (ref.[4])  On March 10 TC-Admin asked us to
>>> hold off from implementing the decision and said might be a couple of
>>> questions to be answered (ref. [5]).
>>>
>>> Simon Nash (chair at the time) replied to TC-Admin on March 10 (ref.
>>> [6]) inviting her or other OASIS staff involved in the decision to
>>> discuss this matter with the SCA-J TC.  TC-Admin did not respond.  On
>>> March 25, Simon sent another email (ref. [7]) repeating my invitation to
>>> discuss this with the TC.  Again, TC-Admin did not respond.
>>>
>>> On April 3 TC-Admin sent a response (ref. [8]) with a decision that
>>> completely reversed the original decision.  There had been no
>>> consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite two
>>> invitations to have this discussion.  TC-Admin also indicated that the
>>> decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could
>>> only be changed by formal appeal.
>>>
>>> This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons
>>> stated above.
>>>
>>> On April 24 Simon sent TC-Admin an email informing her of this (ref.
>>> [9]), with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and
>>> asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal.  TC-Admin
>>> acknowledged the email (ref. [10]) and indicate a reply in a few days.
>>>  TC-Admin's formal response came on Nov 5 (ref. [1]).
>>>
>>> At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC
>>> has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution
>>> through dialogue,
>>> despite all efforts to do this. The acceptable resolutions are
>>> summarized in the (Proposed Resolution) above.
>>>
>>> We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal.
>>>
>>>     David Booz         IBM                   OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>>>      Mark Combellack    Avaya                 OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>>>      Simon Nash         Individual            OASIS SCA-J TC Voting 
>>> Member
>>>     Martin Chapman     Oracle Corporation    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting 
>>> Member
>>>     Jim Marino         Individual            OASIS SCA-J TC Voting 
>>> Member
>>>     Anish Karmarkar    Oracle Corporation    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting 
>>> Member
>>>     Ashok Malhotra     Oracle Corporation    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting 
>>> Member
>>>      Mike Edwards       IBM                   OASIS SCA-J TC Voting 
>>> Member
>>>      Bryan Aupperle     IBM                   OASIS SCA-J TC Voting 
>>> Member
>>>      Pradeep Simha      TIBCO Software Inc    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting 
>>> Member
>>>
>>> REFERENCES
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200811/msg00017.html 
>>>
>>> [2]
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/30068/SCA%20Java%20Face%20to%20Face%20Minutes%202008-11-11%20to%202008-11-13.doc 
>>>
>>> [3]
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html 
>>>
>>> [4]
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html 
>>>
>>> [5]
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html 
>>>
>>> [6]
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html 
>>>
>>> [7]
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html 
>>>
>>> [8]
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html 
>>>
>>> [9]
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html 
>>>
>>> [10]
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html 
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave Booz
>>> STSM, BPM and SCA Architecture
>>> Co-Chair OASIS SCA-Policy TC and SCA-J TC
>>> "Distributed objects first, then world hunger"
>>> Poughkeepsie, NY (845)-435-6093 or 8-295-6093
>>> e-mail:booz@us.ibm.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Subject:
>> Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>> From:
>> Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com>
>> Date:
>> Fri, 2 May 2008 17:58:05 +0100
>> To:
>> eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org
>>
>> To:
>> eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org
>> CC:
>> mbgl@us.ibm.com, booz@us.ibm.com, martin.chapman@oracle.com, 
>> mcombellack@avaya.com, Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, jmarino@bea.com, 
>> mrowley@bea.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
>>
>>
>>
>> The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal 
>> the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]).  This appeal is 
>> being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by 
>> the OASIS TC Process.  In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its 
>> backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1.
>>
>> Our grounds for this appeal are as follows.
>>
>> TECHNICAL
>>
>> (Summary)
>>
>> The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java 
>> naming conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be 
>> liked by Java developers.
>>
>> (Detail)
>>
>> The decision comes in two parts.
>>
>> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix 
>> from "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled 
>> by OASIS.
>> 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by 
>> the SCA-J TC.
>>
>> This appeal concerns the second part of the decision.  The SCA-J TC 
>> discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name 
>> prefix of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons:
>>
>> 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java 
>> naming conventions.  Specifically, the use of an underscore in package 
>> names is highly unusual and unconventional.
>>
>> 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type. 
>>  When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot 
>> oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext".  When typing 
>> these APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be 
>> entered.  Both of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers.
>>
>> 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name 
>> prefix would not be liked by Java developers.  Specifically, package 
>> names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package 
>> names in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint.
>>
>> The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the 
>> convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third 
>> Edition, section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name.  In order 
>> to produce an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would 
>> need to be derived from some other domain name.  The SCA-J TC 
>> discussed some options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to 
>> OASIS as being suitable and acceptable.  This would require that OASIS 
>> acquires the corresponding domain name, which is currently available.
>>
>> PROCEDURAL
>>
>> (Summary)
>>
>> This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier 
>> decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite 
>> multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue.
>>
>> (Detail)
>>
>> This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]).  She sent a 
>> decision on March 7 (ref.[3])  On March 10 she asked us to hold off 
>> from implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of 
>> questions to be answered (ref. [4]).
>>
>> I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS 
>> staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J 
>> TC.  She did not respond.  On March 25, I sent another email (ref. 
>> [6]) repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC.  Again, she 
>> did not respond.
>>
>> On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that 
>> completely reversed the original decision.  There had been no 
>> consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my 
>> two invitations to have this discussion.  She also indicated that the 
>> decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could 
>> only be changed by formal appeal.
>>
>> This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons 
>> stated above.
>>
>> On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), 
>> with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and 
>> asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal.  She 
>> acknowledged the email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in 
>> a few days.  She has not done so.
>>
>> At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC 
>> has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution 
>> through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this.
>>
>> We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal.
>>
>>     Simon Nash    IBM    OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>>     Michael Rowley    BEA Systems, Inc.    OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>>     Michael Beisiegel    IBM    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>     David Booz    IBM    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>     Mark Combellack    Avaya Inc.    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>     Martin Chapman    Oracle Corporation    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>     Jim Marino    BEA Systems, Inc.    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>     Anish Karmarkar    Oracle Corporation    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>     Ashok Malhotra    Oracle Corporation    OASIS SCA-J TC Member
>>
>>
>> REFERENCES
>>
>> [1] 
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html 
>>
>> [2] 
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html 
>>
>> [3] 
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html 
>>
>> [4] 
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html 
>>
>> [5] 
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html 
>>
>> [6] 
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html 
>>
>> [7] 
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html 
>>
>> [8] 
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html 
>>
>>
>>
>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
>> Tel. +44-1962-815156  Fax +44-1962-818999
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> /
>> /
>>
>> /Unless stated otherwise above:
>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with 
>> number 741598.
>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 
>> 3AU/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Subject:
>> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>> From:
>> Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com>
>> Date:
>> Fri, 2 May 2008 20:12:27 +0100
>> To:
>> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
>>
>> To:
>> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
>> CC:
>> Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, 
>> booz@us.ibm.com, eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org, jmarino@bea.com, 
>> martin.chapman@oracle.com, Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, 
>> mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, mrowley@bea.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Mary,
>> The domain oasisopen.org is already owned by someone else, as is the 
>> domain oasis.org.  If OASIS is willing to offer the prefix 
>> org.oasisopen despite not having ownership of oasisopen.org, would 
>> OASIS be willing to offer the prefix org.oasis?  It would seem 
>> inconsistent to offer one of these but not the other.
>>
>> The TC proposed org.oasisj because the oasisj.org domain is currently 
>> unowned and therefore available for acquisition by OASIS.  If this is 
>> not a constraint, my personal preference would be org.oasis.  In 
>> expressing this preference I am speaking for myself and not on behalf 
>> of the TC.
>>
>>     Simon
>>
>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
>> Tel. +44-1962-815156  Fax +44-1962-818999
>>
>>
>> *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>*
>> Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com>
>>
>> 02/05/2008 19:49
>> Please respond to
>> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
>>
>>
>>     
>> To
>>     Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB, <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>
>> cc
>>     <mbgl@us.ibm.com>, <booz@us.ibm.com>, <martin.chapman@oracle.com>, 
>> <mcombellack@avaya.com>, <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>, 
>> <jmarino@bea.com>, <mrowley@bea.com>, <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>
>> Subject
>>     RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>>
>>
>>     
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>  
>>   My apologies for not sending a formal response sooner – I have been 
>> at the OASIS Symposium all week attending sessions and meetings and 
>> literally just arrived home after a red-eye flight. I spoke with Mike 
>> Edwards about this on Tuesday at the member reception. While the use 
>> of the underscore is the recommended practice, we (OASIS staff) all 
>> agree that underscores are thorny characters and would prefer to omit 
>> them. I asked Mike if he thought simply dropping the hyphen would be 
>> acceptable and he indicated that he thought it would – i.e. 
>> org.oasisopen.csa.   
>>   Eduardo, in the role of interim President, has been part of this 
>> conversation. If the above is acceptable to the TC, please acknowledge.
>>  
>> Regards,
>>  
>> Mary
>>  
>> *From:* Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com] *
>> Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 12:58 PM*
>> To:* eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org*
>> Cc:* mbgl@us.ibm.com; booz@us.ibm.com; martin.chapman@oracle.com; 
>> mcombellack@avaya.com; Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com; jmarino@bea.com; 
>> mrowley@bea.com; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org*
>> Subject:* Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>>  
>>
>> The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal 
>> the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]).  This appeal is 
>> being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by 
>> the OASIS TC Process.  In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its 
>> backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1.
>>
>> Our grounds for this appeal are as follows.
>>
>> TECHNICAL
>>
>> (Summary)
>>
>> The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java 
>> naming conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be 
>> liked by Java developers.
>>
>> (Detail)
>>
>> The decision comes in two parts.
>>
>> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix 
>> from "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled 
>> by OASIS.
>> 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by 
>> the SCA-J TC.
>>
>> This appeal concerns the second part of the decision.  The SCA-J TC 
>> discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name 
>> prefix of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons:
>>
>> 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java 
>> naming conventions.  Specifically, the use of an underscore in package 
>> names is highly unusual and unconventional.
>>
>> 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type. 
>>  When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot 
>> oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext".  When typing 
>> these APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be 
>> entered.  Both of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers.
>>
>> 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name 
>> prefix would not be liked by Java developers.  Specifically, package 
>> names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package 
>> names in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint.
>>
>> The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the 
>> convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third 
>> Edition, section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name.  In order 
>> to produce an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would 
>> need to be derived from some other domain name.  The SCA-J TC 
>> discussed some options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to 
>> OASIS as being suitable and acceptable.  This would require that OASIS 
>> acquires the corresponding domain name, which is currently available.
>>
>> PROCEDURAL
>>
>> (Summary)
>>
>> This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier 
>> decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite 
>> multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue.
>>
>> (Detail)
>>
>> This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]).  She sent a 
>> decision on March 7 (ref.[3])  On March 10 she asked us to hold off 
>> from implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of 
>> questions to be answered (ref. [4]).
>>
>> I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS 
>> staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J 
>> TC.  She did not respond.  On March 25, I sent another email (ref. 
>> [6]) repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC.  Again, she 
>> did not respond.
>>
>> On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that 
>> completely reversed the original decision.  There had been no 
>> consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my 
>> two invitations to have this discussion.  She also indicated that the 
>> decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could 
>> only be changed by formal appeal.
>>
>> This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons 
>> stated above.
>>
>> On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), 
>> with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and 
>> asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal.  She 
>> acknowledged the email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in 
>> a few days.  She has not done so.
>>
>> At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC 
>> has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution 
>> through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this.
>>
>> We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal.
>>
>>    Simon Nash    IBM    OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>>    Michael Rowley    BEA Systems, Inc.    OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>>    Michael Beisiegel    IBM    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>    David Booz    IBM    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>    Mark Combellack    Avaya Inc.    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>    Martin Chapman    Oracle Corporation    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>    Jim Marino    BEA Systems, Inc.    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>    Anish Karmarkar    Oracle Corporation    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>    Ashok Malhotra    Oracle Corporation    OASIS SCA-J TC Member
>>
>>
>> REFERENCES
>>
>> [1] 
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html_ 
>>
>> [2] 
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html_ 
>>
>> [3] 
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html_ 
>>
>> [4] 
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html_ 
>>
>> [5] 
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html_ 
>>
>> [6] 
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html_ 
>>
>> [7] 
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html_ 
>>
>> [8] 
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html_ 
>>
>>
>>
>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
>> Tel. +44-1962-815156  Fax +44-1962-818999
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>  
>>
>> /Unless stated otherwise above:
>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with 
>> number 741598.
>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 
>> 3AU/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> /
>> /
>>
>> /Unless stated otherwise above:
>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with 
>> number 741598.
>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 
>> 3AU/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Subject:
>> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>> From:
>> Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com>
>> Date:
>> Mon, 5 May 2008 22:02:15 +0100
>> To:
>> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
>>
>> To:
>> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
>> CC:
>> Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, 
>> booz@us.ibm.com, eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org, jmarino@bea.com, 
>> martin.chapman@oracle.com, "'Mary McRae'" <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, 
>> mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, mrowley@bea.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Mary,
>> Thanks for the clarification.  I understand the distinction and I will 
>> put this on the agenda for this week's SCA-J TC call.
>>
>>     Simon
>>
>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
>> Tel. +44-1962-815156  Fax +44-1962-818999
>>
>>
>> *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>*
>> Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com>
>>
>> 03/05/2008 17:27
>> Please respond to
>> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
>>
>>
>>     
>> To
>>     Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB
>> cc
>>     <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>, <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>, 
>> <booz@us.ibm.com>, <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>, 
>> <jmarino@bea.com>, <martin.chapman@oracle.com>, "'Mary McRae'" 
>> <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, <mbgl@us.ibm.com>, <mcombellack@avaya.com>, 
>> <mrowley@bea.com>
>> Subject
>>     RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>>
>>
>>     
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes – oasisopen.org appears to be owned by someone just sitting on the 
>> domain – if it’s agreeable we can look into what it would take to 
>> purchase it if that’s absolutely required. Conversely, oasis.org is a 
>> live site – a gift/trade show, which is not an acceptable solution.
>>  
>> Mary
>>  
>> *From:* Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com] *
>> Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 3:12 PM*
>> To:* mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org*
>> Cc:* Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; 
>> booz@us.ibm.com; eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org; jmarino@bea.com; 
>> martin.chapman@oracle.com; Mary McRae; mbgl@us.ibm.com; 
>> mcombellack@avaya.com; mrowley@bea.com*
>> Subject:* RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>>  
>>
>> Mary,
>> The domain oasisopen.org is already owned by someone else, as is the 
>> domain oasis.org.  If OASIS is willing to offer the prefix 
>> org.oasisopen despite not having ownership of oasisopen.org, would 
>> OASIS be willing to offer the prefix org.oasis?  It would seem 
>> inconsistent to offer one of these but not the other.
>>
>> The TC proposed org.oasisj because the oasisj.org domain is currently 
>> unowned and therefore available for acquisition by OASIS.  If this is 
>> not a constraint, my personal preference would be org.oasis.  In 
>> expressing this preference I am speaking for myself and not on behalf 
>> of the TC.
>>
>>    Simon
>>
>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
>> Tel. +44-1962-815156  Fax +44-1962-818999
>>
>> *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>*
>> Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com>
>>
>> 02/05/2008 19:49
>>
>>
>> Please respond to
>> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
>>
>>
>>     
>> To
>>     Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB, <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>
>> cc
>>     <mbgl@us.ibm.com>, <booz@us.ibm.com>, <martin.chapman@oracle.com>, 
>> <mcombellack@avaya.com>, <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>, 
>> <jmarino@bea.com>, <mrowley@bea.com>, <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>
>> Subject
>>     RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>     
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>  
>>  My apologies for not sending a formal response sooner – I have been 
>> at the OASIS Symposium all week attending sessions and meetings and 
>> literally just arrived home after a red-eye flight. I spoke with Mike 
>> Edwards about this on Tuesday at the member reception. While the use 
>> of the underscore is the recommended practice, we (OASIS staff) all 
>> agree that underscores are thorny characters and would prefer to omit 
>> them. I asked Mike if he thought simply dropping the hyphen would be 
>> acceptable and he indicated that he thought it would – i.e. 
>> org.oasisopen.csa.   
>>  Eduardo, in the role of interim President, has been part of this 
>> conversation. If the above is acceptable to the TC, please acknowledge.
>>  
>> Regards,
>>  
>> Mary
>>  *
>> From:* Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com] *
>> Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 12:58 PM*
>> To:* eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org*
>> Cc:* mbgl@us.ibm.com; booz@us.ibm.com; martin.chapman@oracle.com; 
>> mcombellack@avaya.com; Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com; jmarino@bea.com; 
>> mrowley@bea.com; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org*
>> Subject:* Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>>  
>>
>> The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal 
>> the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]).  This appeal is 
>> being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by 
>> the OASIS TC Process.  In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its 
>> backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1.
>>
>> Our grounds for this appeal are as follows.
>>
>> TECHNICAL
>>
>> (Summary)
>>
>> The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java 
>> naming conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be 
>> liked by Java developers.
>>
>> (Detail)
>>
>> The decision comes in two parts.
>>
>> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix 
>> from "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled 
>> by OASIS.
>> 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by 
>> the SCA-J TC.
>>
>> This appeal concerns the second part of the decision.  The SCA-J TC 
>> discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name 
>> prefix of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons:
>>
>> 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java 
>> naming conventions.  Specifically, the use of an underscore in package 
>> names is highly unusual and unconventional.
>>
>> 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type. 
>>  When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot 
>> oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext".  When typing 
>> these APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be 
>> entered.  Both of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers.
>>
>> 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name 
>> prefix would not be liked by Java developers.  Specifically, package 
>> names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package 
>> names in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint.
>>
>> The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the 
>> convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third 
>> Edition, section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name.  In order 
>> to produce an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would 
>> need to be derived from some other domain name.  The SCA-J TC 
>> discussed some options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to 
>> OASIS as being suitable and acceptable.  This would require that OASIS 
>> acquires the corresponding domain name, which is currently available.
>>
>> PROCEDURAL
>>
>> (Summary)
>>
>> This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier 
>> decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite 
>> multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue.
>>
>> (Detail)
>>
>> This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]).  She sent a 
>> decision on March 7 (ref.[3])  On March 10 she asked us to hold off 
>> from implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of 
>> questions to be answered (ref. [4]).
>>
>> I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS 
>> staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J 
>> TC.  She did not respond.  On March 25, I sent another email (ref. 
>> [6]) repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC.  Again, she 
>> did not respond.
>>
>> On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that 
>> completely reversed the original decision.  There had been no 
>> consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my 
>> two invitations to have this discussion.  She also indicated that the 
>> decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could 
>> only be changed by formal appeal.
>>
>> This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons 
>> stated above.
>>
>> On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), 
>> with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and 
>> asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal.  She 
>> acknowledged the email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in 
>> a few days.  She has not done so.
>>
>> At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC 
>> has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution 
>> through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this.
>>
>> We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal.
>>
>>   Simon Nash    IBM    OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>>   Michael Rowley    BEA Systems, Inc.    OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>>   Michael Beisiegel    IBM    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>   David Booz    IBM    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>   Mark Combellack    Avaya Inc.    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>   Martin Chapman    Oracle Corporation    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>   Jim Marino    BEA Systems, Inc.    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>   Anish Karmarkar    Oracle Corporation    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>   Ashok Malhotra    Oracle Corporation    OASIS SCA-J TC Member
>>
>>
>> REFERENCES
>>
>> [1] 
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html_ 
>>
>> [2] 
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html_ 
>>
>> [3] 
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html_ 
>>
>> [4] 
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html_ 
>>
>> [5] 
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html_ 
>>
>> [6] 
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html_ 
>>
>> [7] 
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html_ 
>>
>> [8] 
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html_ 
>>
>>
>>
>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
>> Tel. +44-1962-815156  Fax +44-1962-818999
>>
>>
>>  
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>> /Unless stated otherwise above:
>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with 
>> number 741598.
>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 
>> 3AU/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>  
>>
>> /Unless stated otherwise above:
>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with 
>> number 741598.
>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 
>> 3AU/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> /
>> /
>>
>> /Unless stated otherwise above:
>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with 
>> number 741598.
>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 
>> 3AU/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Subject:
>> Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>> From:
>> Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com>
>> Date:
>> Thu, 8 May 2008 12:14:31 +0100
>> To:
>> Eduardo Gutentag <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>
>>
>> To:
>> Eduardo Gutentag <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>
>> CC:
>> Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, 
>> booz@us.ibm.com, jmarino@bea.com, martin.chapman@oracle.com, 
>> mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org, mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, 
>> mrowley@bea.com
>>
>>
>>
>> The appellants would like this appeal to be put into abeyance until 
>> the current round of discussions on this subject has completed.
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>
>>     Simon
>>
>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
>> Tel. +44-1962-815156  Fax +44-1962-818999
>>
>>
>> *Eduardo Gutentag <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>*
>>
>> 06/05/2008 15:42
>>
>>     
>> To
>>     Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB
>> cc
>>     Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, 
>> booz@us.ibm.com, jmarino@bea.com, martin.chapman@oracle.com, 
>> mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org, mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, 
>> mrowley@bea.com
>> Subject
>>     Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>>
>>
>>     
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> It is in abeyance (that is, suspended) until one of three things
>> happen:
>>
>> a) the appellants withdraw their appeal, in which case it just goes
>> away
>>
>> b) the appellants re-instate their appeal, in which case the clock
>> starts ticking again
>>
>> c) the appellants change their original appeal into something else,
>> in which case the clock is reset to 00:00
>>
>>
>>
>> On 05/06/2008 06:37 AM, Simon Nash wrote:
>>  >
>>  > Eduardo,
>>  > A new proposal has been made by Mary and this is now under 
>> discussion by
>>  > the SCA-J TC.  Please can you confirm where we now stand regarding the
>>  > 30-day limit for appeals.  Does the new thread of discussion 
>> nullify the
>>  > previous 30-day deadline and reset the 30-day clock?  If it does, 
>> then I
>>  > would be OK with putting the appeal into abeyance until the current
>>  > discussion thread has concluded.
>>  >
>>  >     Simon
>>  >
>>  > Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
>>  > Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
>>  > Tel. +44-1962-815156  Fax +44-1962-818999
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > *Eduardo Gutentag <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>*
>>  >
>>  > 05/05/2008 22:17
>>  >
>>  >                   > To
>>  >                  Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB
>>  > cc
>>  >                  mbgl@us.ibm.com, booz@us.ibm.com, 
>> martin.chapman@oracle.com,
>>  > mcombellack@avaya.com, Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, jmarino@bea.com,
>>  > mrowley@bea.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
>>  > Subject
>>  >                  Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package 
>> names
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >                   >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > I hereby acknowledge receipt of this appeal.
>>  >
>>  > However, given what appears to be an active thread of
>>  > negotiating messages back and forth between the appellants
>>  > and OASIS TC Administration, I need to know whether the
>>  > appeal still stands as is, or whether it should be put in
>>  > abeyance until further notice one way or another from the
>>  > appellants.
>>  >
>>  > I will proceed no further until I receive a clear message
>>  > from the appellants specifying that the appeal stands exactly
>>  > as originally sent.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > On 05/02/2008 09:58 AM, Simon Nash wrote:
>>  >  >
>>  >  > The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to 
>> appeal
>>  >  > the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]).  This 
>> appeal is
>>  >  > being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as 
>> required by
>>  >  > the OASIS TC Process.  In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to 
>> add its
>>  >  > backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > Our grounds for this appeal are as follows.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > TECHNICAL
>>  >  >
>>  >  > (Summary)
>>  >  >
>>  >  > The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java 
>> naming
>>  >  > conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be 
>> liked by
>>  >  > Java developers.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > (Detail)
>>  >  >
>>  >  > The decision comes in two parts.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name 
>> prefix from
>>  >  > "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is 
>> controlled by
>>  > OASIS.
>>  >  > 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be 
>> used by
>>  >  > the SCA-J TC.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > This appeal concerns the second part of the decision.  The SCA-J TC
>>  >  > discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name 
>> prefix
>>  >  > of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons:
>>  >  >
>>  >  > 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java
>>  >  > naming conventions.  Specifically, the use of an underscore in 
>> package
>>  >  > names is highly unusual and unconventional.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to 
>> type.
>>  >  >  When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say 
>> "org dot
>>  >  > oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext".  When 
>> typing these
>>  >  > APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be 
>> entered.  Both
>>  >  > of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name
>>  >  > prefix would not be liked by Java developers.  Specifically, 
>> package
>>  >  > names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA 
>> package names
>>  >  > in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the
>>  >  > convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third 
>> Edition,
>>  >  > section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name.  In order to 
>> produce
>>  >  > an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would need 
>> to be
>>  >  > derived from some other domain name.  The SCA-J TC discussed some
>>  >  > options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to OASIS as 
>> being
>>  >  > suitable and acceptable.  This would require that OASIS acquires 
>> the
>>  >  > corresponding domain name, which is currently available.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > PROCEDURAL
>>  >  >
>>  >  > (Summary)
>>  >  >
>>  >  > This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the 
>> earlier
>>  >  > decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC 
>> despite
>>  >  > multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > (Detail)
>>  >  >
>>  >  > This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]).  She sent a
>>  >  > decision on March 7 (ref.[3])  On March 10 she asked us to hold 
>> off from
>>  >  > implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of 
>> questions to
>>  >  > be answered (ref. [4]).
>>  >  >
>>  >  > I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other 
>> OASIS
>>  >  > staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the 
>> SCA-J TC.
>>  >  >  She did not respond.  On March 25, I sent another email (ref. [6])
>>  >  > repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC.  Again, she 
>> did not
>>  >  > respond.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that
>>  >  > completely reversed the original decision.  There had been no
>>  >  > consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, 
>> despite my
>>  >  > two invitations to have this discussion.  She also indicated 
>> that the
>>  >  > decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it 
>> could
>>  >  > only be changed by formal appeal.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons
>>  >  > stated above.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. 
>> [7]), with
>>  >  > a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and 
>> asking if
>>  >  > we could resolve this without need for an appeal.  She 
>> acknowledged the
>>  >  > email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in a few 
>> days.  She
>>  >  > has not done so.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and 
>> the TC
>>  >  > has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution
>>  >  > through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal 
>> appeal.
>>  >  >
>>  >  >     Simon Nash    IBM    OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>>  >  >     Michael Rowley    BEA Systems, Inc.    OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>>  >  >     Michael Beisiegel    IBM    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>  >  >     David Booz    IBM    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>  >  >     Mark Combellack    Avaya Inc.    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>  >  >     Martin Chapman    Oracle Corporation    OASIS SCA-J TC 
>> Voting Member
>>  >  >     Jim Marino    BEA Systems, Inc.    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>  >  >     Anish Karmarkar    Oracle Corporation    OASIS SCA-J TC 
>> Voting Member
>>  >  >     Ashok Malhotra    Oracle Corporation    OASIS SCA-J TC Member
>>  >  >
>>  >  >
>>  >  > REFERENCES
>>  >  >
>>  >  > [1]
>>  >  >
>>  > 
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html 
>>
>>  >
>>  >  >
>>  >  > [2]
>>  >  >
>>  > < 
>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html 
>>
>>  >
>>  >  >
>>  >  > [3]
>>  >  >
>>  > 
>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html 
>>
>>  >
>>  >  >
>>  >  > [4]
>>  >  >
>>  > 
>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html 
>>
>>  >
>>  >  >
>>  >  > [5]
>>  >  >
>>  > 
>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html 
>>
>>  >
>>  >  >
>>  >  > [6]
>>  >  >
>>  > 
>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html 
>>
>>  >
>>  >  >
>>  >  > [7]
>>  >  >
>>  > 
>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html 
>>
>>  >
>>  >  >
>>  >  > [8]
>>  >  >
>>  > 
>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html 
>>
>>  >
>>  >  >
>>  >  >
>>  >  >
>>  >  > Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
>>  >  > Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
>>  >  > Tel. +44-1962-815156  Fax +44-1962-818999
>>  >  >
>>  >  >
>>  >  > 
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>  >  >
>>  >  > /
>>  >  > /
>>  >  >
>>  >  > /Unless stated otherwise above:
>>  >  > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales 
>> with number
>>  >  > 741598.
>>  >  > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire
>>  > PO6 3AU/
>>  >  >
>>  >  >
>>  >  >
>>  >  >
>>  >  >
>>  >  >
>>  >
>>  > --
>>  > Eduardo Gutentag
>>  > OASIS President
>>  > eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org
>>  > +1 510-550-4616
>>  > 
>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html> 
>>
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > 
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>  >
>>  > /
>>  > /
>>  >
>>  > /Unless stated otherwise above:
>>  > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with 
>> number
>>  > 741598.
>>  > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire 
>> PO6 3AU/
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>
>> -- 
>> Eduardo Gutentag
>> OASIS President
>> eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org
>> +1 510-550-4616
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> /
>> /
>>
>> /Unless stated otherwise above:
>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with 
>> number 741598.
>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 
>> 3AU/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Subject:
>> Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>> From:
>> Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com>
>> Date:
>> Tue, 20 May 2008 14:41:45 +0100
>> To:
>> mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
>>
>> To:
>> mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
>> CC:
>> Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, 
>> booz@us.ibm.com, eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org, jmarino@bea.com, 
>> martin.chapman@oracle.com, "Mary McRae" <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, 
>> mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, mrowley@bea.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Mary,
>> My apologies for the delay in getting back to you.  The sca-j TC 
>> discussed this at our last meeting and passed the following motion:
>>
>> "The sca-j TC supports the use of the package prefix org.oasisopen, 
>> assuming that the oasisopen.org domain is acquired by OASIS."
>>
>> If this is acceptable to OASIS, please can you contact the current 
>> owner of oasisopen.org and come back to us when you know whether it is 
>> possible to agree terms for OASIS to acquire this domain.
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>
>>     Simon
>>
>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
>> Tel. +44-1962-815156  Fax +44-1962-818999
>>
>>
>> *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>*
>> Sent by: marypmcrae@gmail.com
>>
>> 20/05/2008 14:11
>> Please respond to
>> mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
>>
>>
>>     
>> To
>>     Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB
>> cc
>>     Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, 
>> booz@us.ibm.com, eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org, jmarino@bea.com, 
>> martin.chapman@oracle.com, "Mary McRae" <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, 
>> mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, mrowley@bea.com
>> Subject
>>     Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>>
>>
>>     
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Simon,
>>
>>  Any update on this issue?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Mary McRae 
>> <_mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>> wrote:
>> Yes – _oasisopen.org_ <http://oasisopen.org/> appears to be owned by 
>> someone just sitting on the domain – if it's agreeable we can look 
>> into what it would take to purchase it if that's absolutely required. 
>> Conversely, _oasis.org_ <http://oasis.org/> is a live site – a 
>> gift/trade show, which is not an acceptable solution.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Mary
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* Simon Nash [mailto:_NASH@uk.ibm.com_ <mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com>] *
>> Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 3:12 PM*
>> To:* _mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>*
>> Cc:* _Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com_ <mailto:Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>; 
>> _ashok.malhotra@oracle.com_ <mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>; 
>> _booz@us.ibm.com_ <mailto:booz@us.ibm.com>; 
>> _eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org_ 
>> <mailto:eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>; _jmarino@bea.com_ 
>> <mailto:jmarino@bea.com>; _martin.chapman@oracle.com_ 
>> <mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com>; Mary McRae; _mbgl@us.ibm.com_ 
>> <mailto:mbgl@us.ibm.com>; _mcombellack@avaya.com_ 
>> <mailto:mcombellack@avaya.com>; _mrowley@bea.com_ 
>> <mailto:mrowley@bea.com>
>>
>> *
>> Subject:* RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> Mary,
>> The domain _oasisopen.org_ <http://oasisopen.org/> is already owned by 
>> someone else, as is the domain _oasis.org_ <http://oasis.org/>.  If 
>> OASIS is willing to offer the prefix org.oasisopen despite not having 
>> ownership of _oasisopen.org_ <http://oasisopen.org/>, would OASIS be 
>> willing to offer the prefix org.oasis?  It would seem inconsistent to 
>> offer one of these but not the other.
>>
>> The TC proposed org.oasisj because the _oasisj.org_ 
>> <http://oasisj.org/> domain is currently unowned and therefore 
>> available for acquisition by OASIS.  If this is not a constraint, my 
>> personal preference would be org.oasis.  In expressing this preference 
>> I am speaking for myself and not on behalf of the TC.
>>
>>    Simon
>>
>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
>> Tel. +44-1962-815156  Fax +44-1962-818999
>>
>> *"Mary McRae" <**_mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_* 
>> <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>*>*
>> Sent by: Mary McRae <_marypmcrae@gmail.com_ 
>> <mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com>>
>>
>> 02/05/2008 19:49
>>
>>
>> Please respond to
>> <_mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>>
>>
>>
>>     
>> To
>>     Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB, <_eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org_ 
>> <mailto:eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>>
>> cc
>>     <_mbgl@us.ibm.com_ <mailto:mbgl@us.ibm.com>>, <_booz@us.ibm.com_ 
>> <mailto:booz@us.ibm.com>>, <_martin.chapman@oracle.com_ 
>> <mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com>>, <_mcombellack@avaya.com_ 
>> <mailto:mcombellack@avaya.com>>, <_Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com_ 
>> <mailto:Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>>, <_jmarino@bea.com_ 
>> <mailto:jmarino@bea.com>>, <_mrowley@bea.com_ 
>> <mailto:mrowley@bea.com>>, <_ashok.malhotra@oracle.com_ 
>> <mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>>
>> Subject
>>     RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>     
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>  
>>  My apologies for not sending a formal response sooner – I have been 
>> at the OASIS Symposium all week attending sessions and meetings and 
>> literally just arrived home after a red-eye flight. I spoke with Mike 
>> Edwards about this on Tuesday at the member reception. While the use 
>> of the underscore is the recommended practice, we (OASIS staff) all 
>> agree that underscores are thorny characters and would prefer to omit 
>> them. I asked Mike if he thought simply dropping the hyphen would be 
>> acceptable and he indicated that he thought it would – i.e. 
>> org.oasisopen.csa.   
>>  Eduardo, in the role of interim President, has been part of this 
>> conversation. If the above is acceptable to the TC, please acknowledge.
>>  
>> Regards,
>>  
>> Mary
>>  *
>> From:* Simon Nash [mailto:_NASH@uk.ibm.com_ <mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com>] *
>> Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 12:58 PM*
>> To:* _eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org_ 
>> <mailto:eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>*
>> Cc:* _mbgl@us.ibm.com_ <mailto:mbgl@us.ibm.com>; _booz@us.ibm.com_ 
>> <mailto:booz@us.ibm.com>; _martin.chapman@oracle.com_ 
>> <mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com>; _mcombellack@avaya.com_ 
>> <mailto:mcombellack@avaya.com>; _Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com_ 
>> <mailto:Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>; _jmarino@bea.com_ 
>> <mailto:jmarino@bea.com>; _mrowley@bea.com_ <mailto:mrowley@bea.com>; 
>> _ashok.malhotra@oracle.com_ <mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>; 
>> _mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>*
>> Subject:* Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>>  
>>
>> The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal 
>> the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]).  This appeal is 
>> being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by 
>> the OASIS TC Process.  In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its 
>> backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1.
>>
>> Our grounds for this appeal are as follows.
>>
>> TECHNICAL
>>
>> (Summary)
>>
>> The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java 
>> naming conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be 
>> liked by Java developers.
>>
>> (Detail)
>>
>> The decision comes in two parts.
>>
>> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix 
>> from "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled 
>> by OASIS.
>> 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by 
>> the SCA-J TC.
>>
>> This appeal concerns the second part of the decision.  The SCA-J TC 
>> discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name 
>> prefix of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons:
>>
>> 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java 
>> naming conventions.  Specifically, the use of an underscore in package 
>> names is highly unusual and unconventional.
>>
>> 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type. 
>>  When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot 
>> oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext".  When typing 
>> these APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be 
>> entered.  Both of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers.
>>
>> 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name 
>> prefix would not be liked by Java developers.  Specifically, package 
>> names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package 
>> names in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint.
>>
>> The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the 
>> convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third 
>> Edition, section 7.7) to the "_oasis-open.org_ 
>> <http://oasis-open.org/>" domain name.  In order to produce an 
>> acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would need to be 
>> derived from some other domain name.  The SCA-J TC discussed some 
>> options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to OASIS as being 
>> suitable and acceptable.  This would require that OASIS acquires the 
>> corresponding domain name, which is currently available.
>>
>> PROCEDURAL
>>
>> (Summary)
>>
>> This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier 
>> decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite 
>> multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue.
>>
>> (Detail)
>>
>> This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]).  She sent a 
>> decision on March 7 (ref.[3])  On March 10 she asked us to hold off 
>> from implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of 
>> questions to be answered (ref. [4]).
>>
>> I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS 
>> staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J 
>> TC.  She did not respond.  On March 25, I sent another email (ref. 
>> [6]) repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC.  Again, she 
>> did not respond.
>>
>> On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that 
>> completely reversed the original decision.  There had been no 
>> consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my 
>> two invitations to have this discussion.  She also indicated that the 
>> decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could 
>> only be changed by formal appeal.
>>
>> This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons 
>> stated above.
>>
>> On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), 
>> with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and 
>> asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal.  She 
>> acknowledged the email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in 
>> a few days.  She has not done so.
>>
>> At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC 
>> has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution 
>> through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this.
>>
>> We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal.
>>
>>   Simon Nash    IBM    OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>>   Michael Rowley    BEA Systems, Inc.    OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>>   Michael Beisiegel    IBM    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>   David Booz    IBM    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>   Mark Combellack    Avaya Inc.    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>   Martin Chapman    Oracle Corporation    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>   Jim Marino    BEA Systems, Inc.    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>   Anish Karmarkar    Oracle Corporation    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>>   Ashok Malhotra    Oracle Corporation    OASIS SCA-J TC Member
>>
>>
>> REFERENCES
>>
>> [1] 
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html_ 
>>
>> [2] 
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html_ 
>>
>> [3] 
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html_ 
>>
>> [4] 
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html_ 
>>
>> [5] 
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html_ 
>>
>> [6] 
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html_ 
>>
>> [7] 
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html_ 
>>
>> [8] 
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html_ 
>>
>>
>>
>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
>> Tel. +44-1962-815156  Fax +44-1962-818999
>>
>>  
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>> /Unless stated otherwise above:
>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with 
>> number 741598.
>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 
>> 3AU/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>  
>>
>> /Unless stated otherwise above:
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